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Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

I am thinking about buying a 383 crate motor for my 67 vert. I have been talking with Prestige Performance in the Phoenix area. Has anybody else have any feedback on these guys. I found them on ebay. Here is the ebay add and their website.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/383-4...spagenameZWDVW

http://www.prestigehighperformance.com/

I talked with them and they sound upfront but I would feel better if somebody else who has dealt with these guys give them a thumbs up.

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post #2 of 49 (permalink) Old Dec 6th, 05, 01:44 PM
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

They are a couple miles from my office. I'll have to check them out.
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

Just a question here:

They are selling a engine at 453 Hp and using Desk Top Dyno for there numbers.

I would be carefull
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

I got a private message from a Senior Member named Travis selling a 383. It sounds like a great deal on a solid engine. I can get you his contact info.

I know I'm a chicken, but I want to be either close personally, or physically with the guy that is going to build an engine for the car. It's pretty hard to have someone's butt in your briefcase from a thousand miles away.

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post #5 of 49 (permalink) Old Dec 6th, 05, 09:35 PM
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

i'd be weary.. They don't sound to good tome.. just for the simple fact that they dont tell u exactly what u arte getting..Ex. "high performance race heads" What the heck does that mean? It looks like the got some stock redneck double humps and put some 202 160's in em

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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

Here is a copy of the quote that these guys sent me. Notice there is a little bit more detail on what I get. Are the eagle heads listed pretty good? This is my first time dealing with either buying or building an engine. I am a novice right now. Does this quote sound like it will produce 400 plus horsepower. I am not trying to get exactly 453 Hp but if this motor will make my car fun to drive the price is right.

Any and all comments are welcome.

Prestige High Performance Engines
2024 N. 27th Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85374
602-793-8595

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P.O. Box 11225
Phoenix, AZ 85061-1225

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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

I wouldnt put a lot of faith in those HP numbers. Torque is probably about right though...seems all 383 strokers make about the same torque...mid 400s. I looked at these guys as well when i was shopping but ultimately decided to go with a local builder. Nothing to do with Prestige really, just wanted to deal locally.


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I have bought a engine from prestige and was not satisfied. if you in the the shop for a good crate engine look on-line for performance unlimited. I went cheaper and now I wish I would have gone with them instead. They build it to what you want and live test run it on video for you to see.
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

I have thought long and hard about this topic, and even looked at the AZ dealer mentioned here. I am buying a GM Crate motor from Summit or our local GMC dealer this winter. I will probably pay $1000 + more, but it is right from the factory.

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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

The heads they are using are what I put on my 383. I used 200 cc intake runners on my heads. I would go with a split plenum intake like a performer RPM, it's more streetable. The single plane intakes build hp top end, but for driveability the split plenum is better. JMO. I also used a similar cam. The duration they are quoting is advertised. I bet at .050 it's more like 222 intake 228 exhaust. I think the engine will be fine.
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

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I am thinking about buying a 383 crate motor for my 67 vert. I have been talking with Prestige Performance in the Phoenix area. Has anybody else have any feedback on these guys. I found them on ebay. Here is the ebay add and their website.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/383-4...spagenameZWDVW

http://www.prestigehighperformance.com/

I talked with them and they sound upfront but I would feel better if somebody else who has dealt with these guys give them a thumbs up.


Milehigh,

I too am in the market for an engine and trying to decide between a custom 383 or ZZ4 crate from Gilbert Chevy.. I'm looking at T&L engine development as one of my options. There prices are fair and have heard nothing but goods things about past customers here.. They will install some of your parts and dyno your engine before it leaves.. Only neg. I hear is don't be in any hurry as it takes longer than expected to arrive..

If you want to check them out:

www.gilbertchevy.com (Plenty of options)
www.tandlengines.com

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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

You have to realize that hp at their elevation won't be hp at your elevation. Don't you have any good engine builders in your area? When you have an issue you will want a local builder. Support your local shops and keep everyone happy.

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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

I hope no one uses this thief.

He sold me a bill of goods and I lost $3000.00 on the whole deal.
His heads were junk and were chunked out to 83 cc combustion chamber.
They barely flowed 140 @ .500

He will lie, con whatever it takes to make a sale.

STAY AWAY
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Re: Buying a 383. Anybody dealt with Prestige in AZ?

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You have to realize that hp at their elevation won't be hp at your elevation. Don't you have any good engine builders in your area? When you have an issue you will want a local builder. Support your local shops and keep everyone happy.
Your incorrect. If they run the engine on a dyno and they should on new engine build the dyno numbers are corrected to SAE standard day conditions, if they didn't dyno numbers wouldn't mean a thing.

Personally I would either find a local engine builder you trust to go with or buy a GM crate motor.

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You have to realize that hp at their elevation won't be hp at your elevation. Don't you have any good engine builders in your area? When you have an issue you will want a local builder. Support your local shops and keep everyone happy.
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Your incorrect. If they run the engine on a dyno and they should on new engine build the dyno numbers are corrected to SAE standard day conditions, if they didn't dyno numbers wouldn't mean a thing.

Personally I would either find a local engine builder you trust to go with or buy a GM crate motor.
phel69 is saying that the actual power developed by the motor at the higher elevations in Colorado will be quite a bit less than the actual power developed at sea level. This is the reason that there are correction factors to make the paper horsepower come out to a standard value, but it doesn't do anything about the actual power produced by the motor.
Desktop Dyno, to my knowledge, doesn't make any allowances for density altitude, and produces predictions based on operation at sea level under standard dyno conditions.
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