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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old Aug 21st, 14, 11:33 AM Thread Starter
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Food for thought...

Having seen the spy photos I'm questioning if the new Camaro is truly going to be the "6th gen" or if it's just like what went on in some of the previous generations.

1st gens - the difference from '68 to '69 didn't warrant a generation change.

2nd gens - took on 3 distinct changes going from '73 to '74 and again from '77 to '78.

4th gens - 2 distinct versions, changes from '97 to '98 didn't lead to a generation change!

My whole point is, is everyone jumping the gun with the "6th gen" in order to capitalize on having "the go to site" when the new model year Camaro hits the streets? If the new not yet released Camaro doesn't look completely different than the 5th gen it shouldn't be called the "6th gen"!

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Re: Food for thought...

Dennis, I see where you are going, but I think the Gen change has more to do with the chassis, then with the "Looks". All three of your examples use the same chassis as the preceding year, therefore they are still the same "Gen". Since Gen 5 and Gen 6 will not share the same chassis, it all makes sense

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Re: Food for thought...

I'm on the same page as Dennis from the aspect of appearance.

The question is - what exactly constitutes a Gen change? Body, chassis, both?

My initial reaction to the covered up spy photos was - why would it be a 6th Gen, looks like the same shape as the 5th Gen.

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Re: Food for thought...

Kevin, I gave the chassis change some thought but have to ask; was the 2nd gen sub-frame, coils and rear leaf springs that different from the 1st gen that it would be considered a chassis change? Did the 4th gen suspension change that much from the 3rd gen to be defined as a chassis platform change?

Gens 1-5 all have completely distinct body styling with just enough overtones from the previous generation to say Camaro in each rendition...

Who actually defines a "generation" or is it just a definition like "muscle car"?

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Re: Food for thought...

A new Gen would mean a complete style change from the previous.

Corvette for example very distinctive changes each Gen The C2 is nothing like the C1 And the diff between the C3, C4 and C5 are without a doubt major changes. The C6 is sometimes called an extension of the C5 Gen but the 1st non hideaway headlights since the C1 were enough to call it a C6 (plus marketing strategy) C7 speaks for itself.

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Re: Food for thought...

Not an expert on this of course, but the change over from rear steer (1st) to front steer (2nd) was a pretty big change. But probably the biggest change in Gens would be the sheet metal stampings for the floor and firewall. That would be a chassis change in my book.

Not that informed on the other gens. I guess we will see if the Camaro wiki says its another gen or a continuation of the present one

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Re: Food for thought...

It's the chassis

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I think people are jumping the gun thinking those spy photos show the 6th gen being tested. I work in a GM dealership. GM will be bringing out some super special low production 5th Gen. Only 50 of this special model will be shipped to Canada. The Challenger used a similar number when launched. 50 went to Canada and 450 went to the U.S.

Keep in mind Dodge just revealed a new edition of the Challenger. Cannot remember the name (Hellcat?)but it's supposed to be the fastest of the pony cars. I have a feeling that supposed 6th gen spy car is actually GM's 5th gen answer to the new Challenger.
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Re: Food for thought...

Challenger Hellcat:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news

Charger Hellcat:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news

Charger does 11 second flat quarter mile.
http://www.drivesrt.com/2015/charger-srt-hellcat/

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WOW! An 11 second family sedan from the showroom floor.
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What's that dodge weigh if it takes 700hp to get it into the 11's?

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Re: Food for thought...

The basic design difference in chassis, suspenion, between 1st and 2nd are the same... big over all body . interior change.
And in most ways the same for following generations..
A new generation is generally considered dramatic change in styling, and/ or suspension drive line
So I have to go with Dennis on this one... the marketing / propaganda guys once again over stepping the mark with BS.

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I think the front suspension is quite different from first to second gens, even if the rear suspensions are nearly the same. Same for third and fourth gens.

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Re: Food for thought...

To clear some things up, yes it is an all new 6th Gen next fall.
GM themselves have said so, they hold 5th Camaro owners events and have mentioned them there. It was also mentioned in the 2015 Camaro press release would be the final year for the generation.

Right now the Camaro is based on the Zeta platform, like the SS sedan and Holden Commodore.

The new car will be based on the Alpha platform. The critically acclaimed Caddy ATS is Alpha. It is expected it will lose a few hundred pounds at least.

Expect a smaller, lighter, more tossable car with more power and the new LT1 V8.

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Re: Food for thought...

I'd sure enjoy it more if they eliminated the hard angles in the body. From the back it's got a Toyota look to it. I own 2013 challenger and what I like about the looks are the pleasing rolling lines that harken back to the 70s car.

Btw the Challenger is a BIG car, no question. I love mine. I like it for the looks, the bigger size inside for passengers, and oh my it not only goes fast it does so in style and with great comfort! I'm sure I'd never win on any winding race course but it's a pretty damn good daily driver.

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