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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old Dec 30th, 07, 06:05 AM Thread Starter
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Trouble with '69 RS conversion

So I have the entire front end done but I'm having problems with the headlight switch. If I turn the lights on, the doors do not open. But, if I pull the lines off the switch, the doors open. Also, if I flip the switch on the vacuum canister to 'OPEN', the doors open. It appears to me that the headlight switch is not working correctly. I ordered a new one from D&R and the same thing happens. Is it just bad switches or is there something else I'm missing?

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did you use the color coded hoses?

carefully go over your hose routing..............also have a freind double check it after you....

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did you use the color coded hoses?

carefully go over your hose routing..............also have a freind double check it after you....
yes, color hoses were used. I bought the full conversion kit from D&R. All lines were checked and double checked.

So does the light switch just contain a valve that opens and closes as the light switch is pulled out or pushed in?

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The switch has a valve system in it that 'open' the vac when you pull out the stem. You should have Vac up to the switch all the time. Pull one hose at a time to see if you have vac in one of them. If you dont, then backtrack and find out why. Once the switch is pulled 'on' that vac is directed to the big canister and then on to the doors.

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The switch has a valve system in it that 'open' the vac when you pull out the stem. You should have Vac up to the switch all the time. Pull one hose at a time to see if you have vac in one of them. If you dont, then backtrack and find out why. Once the switch is pulled 'on' that vac is directed to the big canister and then on to the doors.
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is the valve system purely mechanical? in other words, can i test the switch without the electrical connections to see if the valve closes? Does the valve close when the switch is pulled out or does the valve open?

I tested both switches and i cannot get the valve to close. I tested every combination of possibilities (vacuum on one tube then other, switch in and out) and none of them closed the valve. I think that I just got bad headlight switches. Thoughts?

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Re: Trouble with '69 RS conversion

Did you try hooking the 2 hoses together at the light switch then start the car to see if they open. That will eliminate the light switch. If they open then it is the switch. If they still dont open, then there is something else wrong.

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Yes that vac slide works back and forth without the lights being on. You dont need the elec. plastic plug 'plugged' into the switch to check the vac system. Do as Mike suggests. Hook the hoses together, do the doors open? If so, faulty vac slider inside the switch.

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Did you try hooking the 2 hoses together at the light switch then start the car to see if they open. That will eliminate the light switch. If they open then it is the switch. If they still dont open, then there is something else wrong.
I don't want to sound like I know for sure but are you guys sure that the valve opens when the lights turn on? My system would work perfectly if the valve closed when the lights were on.

The lights stay closed when the two hoses are bridged together. My two bad switches let air pass thru no matter what..... still stumped.

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I don't want to sound like I know for sure but are you guys sure that the valve opens when the lights turn on? My system would work perfectly if the valve closed when the lights were on.

The lights stay closed when the two hoses are bridged together. My two bad switches let air pass thru no matter what..... still stumped.
sound like vac lines switched........triple check your hose routing.........

do you have:
the red hose on the fronts of your actuators?
the green hose on the rear?

vac relay assy....has 3 hoses.......

red hose on top
yellow in the middle
green hose on bottom



prostreet69camaro has a good point!!!

Did you try hooking the 2 hoses together at the light switch then start the car to see if they open. That will eliminate the light switch. If they open then it is the switch. If they still dont open, then there is something else wrong.

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click below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Trouble with '69 RS conversion

Maybe you've seen the chart on the above link. Maybe that's the problem. My stuff is original except for the canisters. My green hose is attached to the top port of the actuator valve. Yes, it goes to the rear of the canisters. Works like it always has; perfectly.

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I took apart one of the light switches and the switch was bad. They are definitely cheap chinese switches. The design is very weak. I'll post later with some more details. I temporarily fixed the switch and the lights work fine now.

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