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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old Dec 24th, 08, 01:24 PM Thread Starter
 
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ITs a 95 Camaro with the 6 cyl engine. Ran fine up to about 6 months ago. IT was parked for a while in order to get some work done. Started it and it ran for a while. Brought it back to the garage and parked it. When we went to fire it up again and it wouldn't turn over. Now, everything will light up, but it won't turn over or do anything. This is what we've done so far:
-Changed the lock cylinder b/c the tumblers wentbad, then had to change the whole steering column.
-New starter
-Battery's fine
-Got a new key made with the same resistor number
-checked the wiring

I'm lost. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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How do you know the battery is good? Have you had it tested on a machine? Just because the interior lights light up does not mean the battery is in good enough shape to turn the engine over. Take your volt meter and place the leads across the battery terminals, then have someone turn the key. The battery should have AT LEAST 12v in it before you turn the key. While the key is turned, the voltage should not drop below 10.5v-11v.

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Have you checked the alternator, if you can pull that off and have it tested as well, 67 is right have your battery tested
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Suggested battery check is good advice.
When you turn the key to START, any clicks heard?
A small click tells says the starter relay is making and starter but starter solenoid is not.
A loud click says the starter solenoid is working, but the starter motor is not.
Cable connections at both ends of the connected battery cables should be clean.
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could be your anti-theft module doesn't reconize your resistor key. i have a 97 monte carlo and had the same problem here is what i found there are 2 small white wires that go to your ignition switch that read the resistor in your key. 1 of my wires broke and the car would not start.( common for them to break on tilt wheel cars) cut the 2 wires and strip them out. (strip the 2 wires going to the theft module not the ones up to the ignition switch) then get your original key and hold the wires on each side of the metal tab in the center of the resistor and with your other key try to start the car.you are faking out the module with your old resistor.if it starts your new key resistor is wrong or your wires up to the ign. switch are broke.a cheap fix is you can solder the old resistor key right to the 2 module wires tape it up stuff it under the dash and you are good to go! it was a very intermitent problem once or twice a year after a new starter and battery didn't fix it i started looking at the anti-theft crap on the car

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How do you know the battery is good? Have you had it tested on a machine? Just because the interior lights light up does not mean the battery is in good enough shape to turn the engine over. Take your volt meter and place the leads across the battery terminals, then have someone turn the key. The battery should have AT LEAST 12v in it before you turn the key. While the key is turned, the voltage should not drop below 10.5v-11v.

Yes. I work at an auto parts store. i took the battery in and had it tested. Also checked the alternator. All Good
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Suggested battery check is good advice.
When you turn the key to START, any clicks heard?
A small click tells says the starter relay is making and starter but starter solenoid is not.
A loud click says the starter solenoid is working, but the starter motor is not.
Cable connections at both ends of the connected battery cables should be clean.
Have a Haynes manual?
There's nothing. No Clicks, nothing. you turn it, and it just lights up and laughs at you. i swear. lol.
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could be your anti-theft module doesn't reconize your resistor key. i have a 97 monte carlo and had the same problem here is what i found there are 2 small white wires that go to your ignition switch that read the resistor in your key. 1 of my wires broke and the car would not start.( common for them to break on tilt wheel cars) cut the 2 wires and strip them out. (strip the 2 wires going to the theft module not the ones up to the ignition switch) then get your original key and hold the wires on each side of the metal tab in the center of the resistor and with your other key try to start the car.you are faking out the module with your old resistor.if it starts your new key resistor is wrong or your wires up to the ign. switch are broke.a cheap fix is you can solder the old resistor key right to the 2 module wires tape it up stuff it under the dash and you are good to go! it was a very intermitent problem once or twice a year after a new starter and battery didn't fix it i started looking at the anti-theft crap on the car
Yeah. We thought of that. I had a new key made with the right resistor number and checked the wiring. Someone said That although i got the right key made, the car may not be recognizing the code in the steering column. Not sure.
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Yeah. We thought of that. I had a new key made with the right resistor number and checked the wiring. Someone said That although i got the right key made, the car may not be recognizing the code in the steering column. Not sure.
If the car has VATS, Security light is on, a new key does not mean it will work.

The socket in the tumbler has two leaves to contact the key chip to satisfy the VATS module. These two leaves are spinly in construction and lose the tension they are designed to have, then they don't 'read' the chip.

There two thin wires running down the column in the harness, I believe they are white in color and have a cloth sleeving about them, from the key socket. You can unplug the connector and read with the ohmmeter, the chiip resistance through the wires in the column. Meter reads infinity, bad socket.

Another route would be to place a bypass resistor in the harness to satisfy VATS, but then the theft prevention function is gone. Search for the site giving instructions.

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