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$490 vent

I'm venting over the $490 I spent on trying to add console gauges to my '69. Sorry, but the attention to quality is lacking, in my opinion, from two different parts companies:

The wiring harnass kit I bought through classicindustries - made by american auto wire - is too short at the connector ends to reach the three gauges without coming off. I unwrapped some of the black wire wrap, to try and alleviate some tension and gain a little length in each connector, but the connectors slip off of the back of the gauges all too easily.

The gauges I bought through Ricks and made by Classic Headquarters GM resto parts - came with only a poorly xeroxed sheet showing how the backs of the gauges look. It's so blurry, it's nearly worthless. Also, between the male connector plugs supplied with the gauges and/or the female connectors on the wiring harnass, the damn things won't stay on.

Paying nearly $500, I damn well expect these parts to be just like the originals ! Pissed off doesn't describe how I feel right now.

Rant over, beer on.


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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old Mar 14th, 09, 04:16 PM
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That. Friggin'. Stinks.

I know how you feel.
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I can't help with the wire stretching, but have you tried to reroute the wiring to make up the distance? As for the connectors. If you have a wire crimping tool, try closing the gap on the females a bit more before inserting the males. This should aleviate the slopp.

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Unfortunatly many of the schematics you see from first gens were GM assembly manual copies that were memiograph copies (pre-dating todays copy machines) that were quite degraded. In the electrical stickies you'll find links to some color schematics that someone created - you'll need to PM the moderator for a password to open them. The stickies also have some pictures in the what it is where it is section you might find useful. If you don't find what you're looking for in the way of images, perhaps someone can take a picture for you and post it.

I second Brandon's suggestion of snugging up the connector pins a bit to alleviate the slipping off problem. If the connector you're having problems with are the blade terminal style, a small 1" brad nail or paper clip can be used to pop loose the little retainer tab and remove the female terminal. That way you can hold it in your hand while you carefully sqeeze it closed a bit to tighten up the fit. You might need to bend up the retainer tab slightly before reinserting it though. The brass terminals at least don't have much of a spring effect and can be bent down too far when you use your nail / paper clip to remove them.

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Re: $490 vent

Thanks for the tips and sympathy. I was finally able to set everything in and I think the wires stayed on. The problem as I see it, is that the metal male blades that come with the gauges are either too fat (too tall), or the connectors on the harnass are too small. They slip over the blades, but they don't "lock" like a normal factory connector would. A fix I think would be to grind down the metal male blades so they would fit inside the connectors better. I'm going to see first, if they'll stay on. It just amazes me that something that literally should be "plug and play" causes so much grief. Thanks again.


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Be glad then that it's not "Plug N Play" as it would then be a Microsoft operating issue thus requiring numerous fixes that require numerous fixes and massive amounts of restarts preventing any possible use of said vehicle during the course of the year. At least until the gen 5 came out and is still proven to be an unviable resource for enjoyment. Then someone in a Mitsubishi would blow past you in their little elcipse honking on their little tricycle horn letting you see, smell and hear the obnoxious exhaust coming from the coffee can muffler. Then and only then can and would you appreciate the complexities of the short wired harness that you unfortunately paid for. Yup there are worse things than something not working right as we would hope for. So for all the flaws of a 42 year old car. I'm so glad Bill Gates had nothing to do with the production and design.

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Touche ! I AM glad it's pre-microsoft (like a Commodore Vic 20!)


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Just found out I need a 3rd wiring harnass. The kit I bought comes with 2, but since I'm going from a car that originally had a column shift, to one that now has a floor shift, I need another harnass to finish it off. I wish the catalogs were a little more clear, for knuckle heads like me, on what all you need to do the whole thing


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Maybe it was made by a relative of Gates.

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Strange. My wires were all much too long. Maybe the price of copper? And I ran into one of the same problems. I bought one harness and ended up having to buy another because the kit was not complete.

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Re: $490 vent

I ran into the same thing with the harness,what a pain. I ended up adding wire to make it easier on some of them. If it has a Low Fuel sending unit module,Good Luck. My gauge read wrong until I cut and threw that thing away(Thanks Everett). I feel your pain brother. All repro parts basically have alot to be desired. I know 1st hand.
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Try building a whole car from scratch....you would be an alchoholic.
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