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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 10, 03:21 PM Thread Starter
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Wire Harness Install

I think it's time to update the electrical system in my 69 Camaro. Everything works but it looks terrible. I hate looking under the hood and trying to figure out why that wire isn't hooked up and where is it supposed to go. My question is, how far over my head am I getting with a project like this? Is this something that the averagy guy can do over a weekend? Who has the best harness?
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I hear AAW has the best harnesses.
If you are just talking about an engine harness and everything is stock most could probably do it over a weekend. It should be pretty much just route and plug stuff in...

However, if anything is aftermarket and you are not comfortable with wiring you could be asking for pain and confusion
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I think it's time to update the electrical system in my 69 Camaro. Everything works but it looks terrible. I hate looking under the hood and trying to figure out why that wire isn't hooked up and where is it supposed to go. My question is, how far over my head am I getting with a project like this? Is this something that the averagy guy can do over a weekend? Who has the best harness?
Yes, the average guy can rewire the underhood portion of a Camaro during the weekend.
American Autowire's "Factory Fit" wiring harnesses are made especially for stock applications and feature correct factory style connections/connectors. I rewired my Camaro exclusively with the AAW "Factory Fit" wiring harnesses and would/will purchase them again if necessary.

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Yes, the average guy can rewire the underhood portion of a Camaro during the weekend.
American Autowire's "Factory Fit" wiring harnesses are made especially for stock applications and feature correct factory style connections/connectors. I rewired my Camaro exclusively with the AAW "Factory Fit" wiring harnesses and would/will purchase them again if necessary.

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Ok. I think the under hood part should be fairly straight forward. What about the rest of the harness? I want to update everything. I want to go with a more modern fuse box and relocate the battery to the trunk. Is the AAW kit just like the original harness or does it come with the new style fuse box? I can't tell from their web site.
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Ok. I think the under hood part should be fairly straight forward. What about the rest of the harness? I want to update everything. I want to go with a more modern fuse box and relocate the battery to the trunk. Is the AAW kit just like the original harness or does it come with the new style fuse box? I can't tell from their web site.
The new style fuse block is used on the AAW "Classic Update" wiring harnesses. The AAW "Factory Fit" is just like the original wiring harnesses. The rest of the harnesses are just as simple as the underhood harness. Just take your time and unplug and reconnect one circuit at a time and work your way through the harness until you reach the end of it.

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If you are doing the whole car it is going to be substantially more then a weekend job. I have done more then your average amount of wiring and I probably have 60-70 hours in my complete harness in my '68. I modified my engine bay wiring as per MADelectrical.com and crimped, soldered and shrink wrapped all circuits with any kind of load. It takes some time to route everything and make it look good when you are finished. I may be slow but it turned out pretty nice, IMO Don't throw any old wiring out until you are finished.

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It seems like everyone here likes the AAW kits. Is there a problem with the Painless kit?
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I have installed a few painless kits. They do not come with the ends installed like the factory. It is a nice kit with new style fuses. You will have to insert the ends for the steering column because they make 2 different types. The manual shows you how to do it. It is totally a custom install with some factory ends. You will have to crimp and solder and heat shrink most ends.

I did have a problem with the light switch terminal block. It had a wire in the wrong place for the running lights.

This is not a factory type wiring harness. If it is a custom install you want to do it works fine.

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I have installed a few painless kits. They do not come with the ends installed like the factory. It is a nice kit with new style fuses. You will have to insert the ends for the steering column because they make 2 different types. The manual shows you how to do it. It is totally a custom install with some factory ends. You will have to crimp and solder and heat shrink most ends.

I did have a problem with the light switch terminal block. It had a wire in the wrong place for the running lights.

This is not a factory type wiring harness. If it is a custom install you want to do it works fine.
OH OK. I'm not that confident in my soldering abilities. So the AAW kit (I'm looking at the Classic Update Series Harness) comes completely assembled?
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yes, aaw kit is ready to go out of the box.
Call them and tell them your plans and what you want, they should have exactly what you want.

Painless is more like painful, my brother in law bought one. And as stated, it just a bundle of wires with a fuse box at one end and some connectors in a bag. Might as well include a note that says "good luck sucker" Cause I don't remember any instructions.
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yes, aaw kit is ready to go out of the box.
Call them and tell them your plans and what you want, they should have exactly what you want.

Painless is more like painful, my brother in law bought one. And as stated, it just a bundle of wires with a fuse box at one end and some connectors in a bag. Might as well include a note that says "good luck sucker" Cause I don't remember any instructions.

All you need is skill to put a painless wiring harness in. lol

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yes, aaw kit is ready to go out of the box.
Call them and tell them your plans and what you want, they should have exactly what you want.

Painless is more like painful, my brother in law bought one. And as stated, it just a bundle of wires with a fuse box at one end and some connectors in a bag. Might as well include a note that says "good luck sucker" Cause I don't remember any instructions.
I don't think the AAW Classic Update comes completely assembled. To the contrary, I believe substantially all light sockets need to be attached.

http://www.americanautowire.com/67-68camaro.html

Notice the unattached bulb sockets?

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I used the AAW Classic update in my 69, and thought it was very straightforward. I suggest you read over the entire directions before starting though. It helps you understand how it all goes together.
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The AAW factory fit harness comes completely assembled as a factory harness.
They will let you order it with wiring for an internal regulator alternator and / or an electronic ignition. These are plug n play.

The AAW classic update kit comes "unfinished" the wires are attached at the fuseblock but most of the end connectors are not installed, it also has some extra circuits for additional options. All the new factory type connectors are included but not installed.

The original painless 18 circuit harness is a fully customizable street rod harness. A skilled tech can set it up for just about anything. It does not include the factory connectors for all the lighting and stuff.

Painless has some new products that are more complete that their original 18 circuit custom harness. Niether I nor anyone I've read on these forums has any info, you might check painless website.

Note there are LOTS of harnesses in a Camaro. 2 under the hood, the engine harness and the front lighting harness. There are several different front lighting harnesses depending on if the car is an RS, or if it has factory gauges.
There's only one engine harness, it feeds the wipers, ignition, starter, and heater only.

A/c cars have an additional harness just for the a/c.





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Updating, redoing the wiring in your car will be the best $500 you spend.
Go slow test everything as you go...no regrets

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