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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old Mar 6th, 12, 12:38 PM Thread Starter
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I went to start the car this morning, and it wont crank. Only hear the starter solenoid clicking like it is trying to engage, but not making much of an effort. Did this couple of days ago, noticed old cable didn't look too good, and was actually broken at the terminal, hence the new cable.

Positive cable is tight at the starter bolt, tight at the battery, battery is fully charged. Only thing I did prior to all this was loosen the steering column in to adjust it after repalcing steering coupler (rag joint). Prior to that, car started fine. Now, the sloenoid wont cause engagement at the flywheel.

Although it is possible solenoid is the issue, seems coincidence that it worked before and not now. Yes, I know it has to die sometime, haha. I even tried shorting around the clutch safety switch, no change when trying to start car. What else could I be missing? Although this is an old starter, don't really want to replace things unnecessarily looking for a problem.

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Re: Starter issue

One other question, If I need to replace starter, which I had been thinking about anyway prior to this episode, Do I need to go to expensive aftermarket starter to crank this 11:1 motor? The car doesnt get used s huge amount, and more rarely in Florida summer heat.
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You can test the starter with a remote starter button. Connect it between the pos batt cable stud on the solenoid and the "S" terminal stud on the solenoid (closest to the engine blocK) If it cranks doing it this way, then the problem is somewhere in your car's wiring. Make sure the car is in neutral!


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Good idea, kinda like old school method with a screwdriver, haha.
I forgot about that.
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Re: Starter issue

Did the remote start thing, and same result, clicking, almost a buzzing or vibrating sound. But wouldn't engage ring gear. That pretty much eliminates any car wiring right? Does that definately mean solenoid issue?
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Re: Starter issue

These cars are notorious for starting problems but they are generally easy to cure. Most often it's bad or loose cables. especially the ground cable. If you don't know the age or conditions of both battery cables then it's probably best to replace both with good quality cables. Also check the ground straps from block to chassis and replace if necessary.

Fwiw, I added a negative battery cable as a ground strap from front of motor to the ground mount on chassis just to be safe. My 10:75:1 motor spins over like a top using a DB Electric starter and Optima battery

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But if I'm using the jumper from two solenoid terminals, and my battery cables are good, the sloenoid should engage if good, regardless of any other ground issues, right?
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If you trust that both of your cables are good and are clean and making good contact at both ends and that your ground is grounded to the engine block and that your battery is in good shape and fully charged, then I would look at the solenoid. You can remove the starter from the car and then remove the end cap from the front of the solenoid and flip the big copper washer around and see if that cures your problem.


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Check the ground to the engine from the battery. Pull the cable off and clean the connection points and re-install.

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If you clean all connection points of both battery cables and flip the copper washer in the solenoid plus flip the copper studs, the studs the battery cable connects and the motor stud, and it still does not crank over, add in parallel a set of jumper cables and try again.
If starter does turn over, the original battery cables are not large enough in wire gauge size to handle the current demand. Get new cables min 1 AWG size.

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I would put a test light across the battery and see if it goes out when you jump the starter. Might be the battery?

I've seen guys chase their tails when it was only the battery and they were positive the battery was ok.

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Re: Starter issue

Quote:
These cars are notorious for starting problems
I totally disagree , there is nothing wrong with these starters or cars at all..
The issue are because people just dont set the car up right and/or fail to do riutine maintance /service like cleaning terminals and deciding they know better than all car manufacturs for a 100 yrs and over advance the intial timing.

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Re: Starter issue

The car started just fine, cranked great, just went out the next morning and all I got was clicking on the solenoid. Everything is tight and clean externally, battery fully charged with two different chargers. remote starter button does same thing. Pretty much seems like starter needs to come out to me.
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Re: Starter issue

Sounds like the starter to me. I had a similar problem yesterday but, mine was a poor connection. I run an 11:1 stroker and kept burning out starters. I ended up getting a high torque mini starter and wrapped it in that foil heat wrap. I haven't had the atarter go out in five or six years since. I think the extra air space from the headers really helped. Good luck!
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Re: Starter issue

Anyone got a suggestion on a starter from Advance Auto Parts? The store is about 5 minutes from my house, and they can usually get starters by next day at latest. They sell quite a few different brands. Proform being one of the major ones. Are Proform any good?
Other option is order from Summit with 2 day delivery.
What are your suggestions for a starter? Want to order today.
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