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Need some advice. Signals not working...

Hello electric forum. I have a 1967 RS...recently purchased from a good friend. Engine works fine and after some time in the shop the last thing I have on my checklist is to fix the turn signals. They don't work. I know absolutely nothing about car electronics. I've taken the car to 3 different shops and none of them can figure it out. Mind you these aren't classic car or Chevy specialist shops, just local mechanics.

The latest shop said they could do it but they'd have to replace the wiring harness. A little jaunt at ~$2,000. Considering the other shops that couldn't find anything and just gave up and the fact that I know if I tried to do it, I'd probably blow the car up, does that sound reasonable?

Should I just slap leather and get it done or do I keep looking for other opinions? Just FYI, Brake lights work, headlights work, the only thing that doesn't is the signal lights and flashers.

Thanks for any advice.
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Re: Need some advice. Signals not working...

Hey Dan, you need to find a first-gen or classic car pro to take a look at it. The wiring harness is not too big of a job for someone who's done this a few times before. And a Camaro guy will get the diagnosis right the first time. It sounds like the harness and signal/flash mechanisms in the steering column. The signal switch and harness you can get for less than $75. http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/s...pin-1967-1968/ Then the Camaro or classic car guy installs it at a price far less than 2 grand.

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Just be careful as the labor hours can be abused when chasing down these electrical gremlins.

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Re: Need some advice. Signals not working...

Oh how I wish I knew someone like this in my area. I've called around and this is the only guy who even entertains "classic cars" in my area.

Apparently the entire car is wired wrong after I talked to him a little more. The headlights only work if there is NO fuse in the box. Put a fuse in there and it stops working. Someone jammed a quarter in the fuse box as a makeshift fuse. There is constant current running to the points, even when the ignition is off, etc. Grounds are all over the place. He offered to show me what he is talking about so I'm on the way there.

The more he starts to explain this stuff the more it is sounding like a good idea. Just for piece of mind sake. I'll know more when I get back.

However if anyone in the South Bay Area (San Jose) knows a good mechanic that specializes in Camaros, please let me know. I am looking for one.
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Re: Need some advice. Signals not working...

Each circuit you mentioned, emergency flashers, turn signals, and brake lights have their own power source from the fuse box.

Brake light goes through the turn signal switch interrupting the brake light power and placing turn signal power onto the selected side. Turn signal flasher is above the gas pedal.

Flasher power comes from the flasher on the fuse panel to the switch button then power to all lights after the turn signal switch.

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I doubt you need to replace the wiring harness. Just troubleshoot the items as identified in Everett's post. Here is a wiring diagram.
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Re: Need some advice. Signals not working...

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Oh how I wish I knew someone like this in my area. I've called around and this is the only guy who even entertains "classic cars" in my area.

Apparently the entire car is wired wrong after I talked to him a little more. The headlights only work if there is NO fuse in the box. Put a fuse in there and it stops working. Someone jammed a quarter in the fuse box as a makeshift fuse. There is constant current running to the points, even when the ignition is off, etc. Grounds are all over the place. He offered to show me what he is talking about so I'm on the way there.

The more he starts to explain this stuff the more it is sounding like a good idea. Just for piece of mind sake. I'll know more when I get back.

However if anyone in the South Bay Area (San Jose) knows a good mechanic that specializes in Camaros, please let me know. I am looking for one.
It's been way too many years since I've worked on a points car but.....
wouldn't power at the points be power at the coil and keep the car running with the key off?

If it was me I'd still be looking for another mechanic/electrician.

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IF there was current to the points with the key off the car will not turn off
And with points system even if was the case the car would not start because the coil would have been over heated and died....and lets not forget that if the engine stopped with pionts closed, it would not take lone for them to burn out

Something just doesnt sound right....sort of some older posts where ppl who dont know their way around end up by being taken for a ride to the bank...

I assume that if a tap in your house dosent have water coming out, u would be able, with a few tools back track that pipe to where a blockage is right?
OK no look at that wiring circuit, forget about it being power and think as if they are water pipes.....

And when it comes to new electrical looms....they are basic plug and play....
Put it this way...If one is working on a Aussie GM car.. the colour codes are the same.. the circuits are the same, most of the plugs are the same... the only difference is the brake and indicator circuits/ tail lights are independent.

Once on forgets about the 'intimidation' "oh 5h1t too hard" PC BS sits down it is rather simple logical stuff
power goes from the battery.. To a fuse....to a switch....to what ever.. then to ground.

Now if it is a modern ECU controled full of relays weird bits and peices here and there ....yes THAT is very intimidating for a very good reason

Old school stuff ....go for it m8... u will be very surprised what u at this point in time u think is complex .. becomes rather simple...

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