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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old Dec 4th, 14, 06:39 AM Thread Starter
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Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

I have a 1969 coup
I know that there are many kick panel threads out there but all seem to discuss replacing kick panels with ones with speakers in them. My goal is to simply cut a hole in the pillar space and put my own speaker in that spot. I'm looking for any specific speaker and grill setup that may fit. I'm not looking for super high end stuff, just something better than the dash speaker. I understand that the speaker will need to mount on top of the kick panel with a hole cut to fit the magnet in the space in the pillar.

Here is one speaker that I found

If this would work, where do I find a grill cover? Would any work? I am clearly not a audiophile!

I also see that there are ? stock repro types. Will this work as well?
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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

I used the Kappa speakers and this template to cut the OEM kick panels:


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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

Hi ttwo and Mike

I worked last night on the same thing you are asking about.

I have a 69 and my Original Kick Panels had at one time (80’s I bet) Round Speakers installed, the installation was horrible to say the least.

The hole was cut where too much is missing for me to install the 4”x6” Plate Speaker’s I bought.
The nice thing about having this hole was I was able to see that “Structure Hole” you are asking about and laid out the Hole outline on my Kick panel with Masking tape.

I can measure mine and give you the Dimensions of where the Hole Ends. The Kick Panel Banks up against the Door Jam lip and then is kind of Located by the Duct part into the Cowl area. That open area is perpendicular to the bottom of the Kick Panel.

I also found there are not allot of Speaker Grills out there from what I saw.
I bought these -
15-PR462V2 - Memphis 4" x 6" 2-Way Power Reference Coaxial Speakers w/ Swivel Tweeter, very nice. I am not looking at putting a big System in my car, just something nice and an upgrade like USB, IPod and Blue Tooth and around 200 Watts.</SPAN>

I did order a set of Grills from eBay for $16.00 w/ S&H, I will see how they Fit and Look.

I also bought New Kick Panels and do not like the Fit as the Tab for the Door Jam is in a different location by about ¾”. I’ll make my Old ones work.

My big problem is the Oversize Hole in my Panels, and thinking of how I could Cover that up, I needed a Black type of Plastic that had a Little “Texture/ Grain” to it.
Was at Kmart with my wife (Embarrassing for me) and saw those Attic Storage containers – Black with a Lid big enough to make 2 Picture Frame/ Doublers to go over the Crappy hole – Perfect.
Cut it to like 7 1/8” x 5 ¼” on the Radial arm saw, a little sanding and Scotchbrite, Perfect. Even heated it with a heat gun and put a little Contour to it.
I will post Pictures when I am done.

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I used the Kappa speakers and this template to cut the OEM kick panels:

if you get a chance can you show me the kappa speaker with the grill installed!
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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

I installed those Infinity Kappas in my front setup. These stock repros covers will work, you just have to paint them.

http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-r...1967-1969.html

If you have something like a basic Retrosound head unit, the 4x6's suck. I'm thinking of running a separate amp to those speakers alone, and seeing if I can salvage any sound quality, but straight from the head unit, might as well just use the rear speakers with sub.

Later, I may get something like this for some decent sound out of the front end:
http://www.camarocentral.com/product_p/int-827.htm

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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

Here are my kick panel speakers https://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...ighlight=kappa





They did not put out enough volume with the top down (volume was fine for most songs, but not for Led Zep!)

here is the whole build https://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=232097

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if you get a chance can you show me the kappa speaker with the grill installed!
I should have said Kappas in OEM style kick panels. My originals were in terrible shape.


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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

I have a retrosound model 2 stereo and maybe I could put in a small amplifier somewhere hidden to drive the Kappas and some rear 6x9 which I already have installed. Anyone with a small amplifier that may tuck under the dash or will I have to mount in trunk?


Will the grill simply fit over the Kappa speakers without additional holes?

Do I have to put some sound blocking material behind the speakers?

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I used the same Kappas and OEM speaker cover--they sound is great and it look very original.

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Here are my kick panel speakers https://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...ighlight=kappa





They did not put out enough volume with the top down (volume was fine for most songs, but not for Led Zep!)

here is the whole build https://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=232097

Did you need an amplifier with this setup in front? I think this is the route I want to go if I can simply cut a space for the magnets to go in, mount the speaker ON TOP of the kick panel, and then put the 'factory repro' covers on top. Do you think this will work without an amp from a retrosound model 2 head?
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Careful with what covers u get, espec on drivers side... if protudes to high above the kick panel surface it ends up getting scratched and damaged....a couple mm makes a big difference I found between my 1st set and second set of speakers.
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simply cut a hole in the pillar space
There are holes already in the frame... keep in mind cutting frames in these areas can compromise the integrity of the strength of the car frame.
I had 2 issues getting speakers to fit the frame holes... both the depth of the speakers and the over all height width
The covers I re painted to match the kick panel..

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Careful with what covers u get, espec on drivers side... if protudes to high above the kick panel surface it ends up getting scratched and damaged....a couple mm makes a big difference I found between my 1st set and second set of speakers.

There are holes already in the frame... keep in mind cutting frames in these areas can compromise the integrity of the strength of the car frame.
I had 2 issues getting speakers to fit the frame holes... both the depth of the speakers and the over all height width
The covers I re painted to match the kick panel..

I would NOT cut the pillar but rather the panel over the space in the pillar. I'm hoping that the speaker will simply attach to the kick panel along with the OEM speaker cover shown above. I hope the kick panel is strong enough to hold the speaker without having to 'mount it' to the frame in any way...
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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

You do not need to cut any metal behind the kick panels to get the Kappas in there or mount it to metal. Kick panel holds it fine. Yes, it is a tight fit and does make the speaker grill push out a little, maybe 1/4" to 3/8". You can run these speakers right from the headunit (providing the headunit can meet the specs)

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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

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I took several Dimensions and Pictures.
I felt the best would be the Center of where my R/H Kick Panel Speaker would be. If you get New Speakers, Mine came with a Paper Template for cutting the Hole.
The distance from the Bottom of the Panel was 4 5/16" to the Center of my Speaker.
I "Eyeballed" the Face of the Jam Wrap around to the Center of the Speaker, 3 5/8".
I also took a Pic of my R/H Kick Panel with the crappy hole, my Repair doubler in place and with my Memphis Speaker Clecoed in place. And one showing the Face of the Jam Wraparound.
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Re: Kick Panel speaker suggestion- WITHOUT replacing kick panel

Wow that speaker fits pretty flat in there! These pics will be super helpful thanks!!! I ordered some speakers and grilles today
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