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post #1 of 74 (permalink) Old Oct 28th, 18, 06:56 AM Thread Starter
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Mini Starter Installation help, This is why I dont like to modify stuf

So taking the advice of some here on the forum, I decided to install a mini starter on my 67 RS when the solenoid on the OEM starter went bad.

I ordered one from Amazon, a "Tuff Stuff" product, and proceeded with the install according to the supplied instructions.
I bolted it on right out of the box and took a look at where the pinion gear to flywheel was and decided it needed more shims. I used the one supplied with the kit, (I noticed it already had a set of shims installed so now I have 2 shims under the starter mounting block. I also ended up with 1 shim on the engine block to obtain my pinion backlash of .040 +/- .015

I have 2 questions:
1. it looks like I still need more pinion to ring gear clearance, so I will need to order and install another set of shims under the starter block,,is 3 sets of shims uncommon?

2. I look at the wiring instuctions and its telling me I need to order a remote solenoid or a relay because I am still running a points ignition,,,gee,, it would have been nice to know this before I ordered the starter in the first place,,,

This is why I destest modifying anything from stock,,.,there is always some rig-a-ma-roll involved with making something that was not originally on the car work,,,like adding a relay or a remote solenoid,,,WTF?

also I am installing a new engine wiring harness as well and now I have to cut into it to splice in this F'in relay they are talkin about? the instructions for the additional remote solenoid only state that it adds more juice to the starter for hot starting issues,,says nothing about needing it because of breaker points,,reckon I will call the tech line tomorrow

the pics below show the relation to the pinion/flywheel clearance ( or lack thereof) before I installed the supplied shim,,its not much better now,, that's why I think I need one more, the other pics show the installation of the supplied shim set,,again, is 3 shim sets unheard of?
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Re: Mini Starter Installation help, This is why I dont like to modify

Tim, Why didn't you just replace the original solenoid ?
Like you, I don't believe in the so called "upgrading" if
there isn't a solid need. There is virtually always a snowball
effect. I would return the mini started and go back to
original. If you keep it then you will have to shim as needed.
I've seen stacks of 5 or 6 shims used.

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post #3 of 74 (permalink) Old Oct 28th, 18, 07:33 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks,,,there was an overwhelming bunch of folks who raved about the mini starters, so I thought,,what the heck,,
well they neglected to tell me about the "remote solenoid" or diode I would need and etc,,,yes had I known there was going to be more than 2 bolts and some shimming I would have bought an NOS solenoid and been done with it,,I'm committed now
so I'm going to see it through,,I just wanted to vent a little and caution others, when you modify something,,like Al said,,theres a snowball effect

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Tim, If you have headers then the mini starter is advantageous. Otherwise I see no gain, just pain.

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Tim, This may help you.
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I would go with one of the stock GM smaller starters. They bolt right up as the originals.

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I have purchased mini starters from jegs and DB electrical and have NEVER used a shim
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I have purchased mini starters from jegs and DB electrical and have NEVER used a shim
where your clearances as tight as mine are in the pic above?

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If you are sticking with conventional ignition send it back. The juice is not worth the squeeze imho....

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Re: Mini Starter Installation help, This is why I dont like to modify

Never had a problem with a mini starter install
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I run a tilton. Use its solenoid. I never have a problem. Itís self adjusting. No shims needed

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where your clearances as tight as mine are in the pic above?
to be honest with you, I just bolted the starter on and hit the switch. it sounded good and spun the engine
I never checked nutin .
been using that one for 7 years. still no problems
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I went with basically what GM put in new V8 cars. It was about $75, is very light weight, perm magnets (no heat soak) and has worked flawlessly for years!

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Never had a problem with a mini starter install
so am I making these issues up? or am I just some kind of an idiot?
because quite frankly it was you who I took the advice from initially

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I run a tilton. Use its solenoid. I never have a problem. Itís self adjusting. No shims needed

40000-Series Super Starter - Tilton Engineering
do you have breaker points? or Electronic Ignition?

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