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Re: T3 Headlight wattage vs Silverstar H6024

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I metered 13.8 VDC at the headlight plug, engine on, on high beam...so didn't see a need for relays

what VDC do you have with relays??
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I added the Silverstars….nice upgrade, and then added the relays...major jump over stock and better than just the headlights.

Do the relays
Doug, What was the condition of your wiring and switches before you added the relay harness?

And did you measure befroe and after voltage to the headlight connector?
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Doug, What was the condition of your wiring and switches before you added the relay harness?

And did you measure befroe and after voltage to the headlight connector?
Only thing I did was to add the "plug and play" harness. You unplug the headlights, plug the harness into the headlight plug, attach the power wire to the busbar, and done.
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I metered 13.8 VDC at the headlight plug, engine on, on high beam...so didn't see a need for relays

what VDC do you have with relays??
It's not really the volts you worry about, it is the amp draw that you need to worry about. Too many amps across a switch that can't handle it or undersized wire and they will burn up or arc and burn up.
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It's not really the volts you worry about, it is the amp draw that you need to worry about. Too many amps across a switch that can't handle it or undersized wire and they will burn up or arc and burn up.
If the 6024 Silverstars draw the same as the T-3 then it’s not a factor in the equation.
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It's not really the volts you worry about, it is the amp draw that you need to worry about. Too many amps across a switch that can't handle it or undersized wire and they will burn up or arc and burn up.
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If the 6024 Silverstars draw the same as the T-3 then it’s not a factor in the equation.
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As I posted earlier the amp draw is about the same with the 6024 (actually slightly less on high beam) as Vega$69 notes the load, draw...aka "amps" of the 6024 and T3 are not that different (.4 amp on low beam))

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Amperage (A): 3.5, 4.3 Amp
Wattage (W): 45, 60 Watt

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Amperage (A): 3.1, 4.7 Amp
Wattage (W): 40, 60 Watt

Assuming one's wiring, switches and connections are solid (read not old cracked fatigued wire) and VDC measures solid "AT" the headlight connector than, IMHO, relays are not required to run the Silverstar halogen. I would suggest that for those who did install a relay kit and got noticeably brighter headlights, regardless of T3 or Halogen,.....I would dig into the "why" their headlight wiring prior was doing that as it is likely fatigued elsewhere also.

With this said if your wiring is good and you do use relays fine...just something I feel in "my" case I do not have to. YMMV
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As I posted earlier the amp draw is about the same with the 6024 (actually slightly less on high beam) as Vega$69 notes the load, draw...aka "amps" of the 6024 and T3 are not that different (.4 amp on low beam))



Sorry, I missed your post explaining that the specs were very close. I just didn't want someone to think the differences between voltage and amps were the same. I too like the idea of using relays. Yes, it over complicates things but, I think they are worth it.
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Re: T3 Headlight wattage vs Silverstar H6024

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...yes the 6024's are brighter than the T3's and yes on paper they have = Watts thus amp load of the T3

But given this is opposite of what I had thought I want to post my findings. I noticed my instrument dash lights slightly flickering. Granted I don't drive the car much at night and never "noticed" it before but it was happening and I did just swap in the Halogens. Put light switch to parking lights and no flicker. Turn on headlights the dash lights dim some and barely flicker...…

Put the relay kit in Doug G posted, plug & play BTW, and bingo no more flicker....and the dash lights are brighter.

This is surprising to me because I was getting solid VDC at the light socket before the relays and get the same after...but apparently the full volt load going "through" the headlight switch does add resistance and affecting the, smaller, lights on the switch like dash lights.

Perhaps my original wiring harness has aged more than it appears or my non original headlight switch is fatiguing but after the relay install all is much brighter now. YMMV

I was convinced I did not need them based on = loads of T3 and my voltage reading at the headlight plug but with the Halogens I did need relays. Like Vega$ posts and several of my friends 1st gens all using Halogen they don't use relays and apparently they don't have a dash light "very slight" flicker or just don't notice it.
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Re: T3 Headlight wattage vs Silverstar H6024

Thanks for the follow up. Wonder what the T3s would look like with the relays?

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wonder what the t3s would look like with the relays?
brighter :-)
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