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69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

I just tried to fire my new 383 and am having a major electrical problem. I just replaced the entire wiring harness as well as a rebuilt steering column & ignition switch (from gary's).

Problem: As soon as I move the ignition (key) foward from the locked position the car begins to turn over...and will not stop until I put it back to the locked position. So basically there is no "run" position...It is either off or it "juiced" to the starter. What have I done worng?

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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

The ignition switch on the top of the column is in the wrong place...it is able to slide to locate correct on its mounting bolts.
Also check the wire going to it the end is not bent.

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or the 'R'un and 'S'tart wires on the back of starter solinoid are swapped
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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

ignition switch was put in wrong.
follow the directions
there is a procedure you need to follow.


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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

What ignition switch exactly are you guys are talking about...would it be something that is attached to column that part of the wiring harness plugs into....or is the actual cylinder that you put the key into.

I purchased a complete steering column from a reputable rebuilder and simply plugged the harness wires into it....I did however personnaly install what I'm calling the ignition switch (The entire key assembly)

I will double check the wires going to the solenoid but in the meantime I would really apprecite if someone could explain exactly what ignition switch they are talking about.

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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

The "ignition switch" is low on the column, where the wires plug in.





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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

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would it be something that is attached to column that part of the wiring harness plugs into
Same as
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The "ignition switch" is low on the column, where the wires plug in.
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The ignition switch on the top of the column
loosen the mounting bolts, hold the key to 'start 'position push the switch to the upward direction..(spring loaded) and the ehgine will turn over
turn the key to run position, move the switch till it gets to the 'start spring' postion without actually going into that part, tignten mounting bolts. Checkthat the key now moves to the start position and engine turns over.
If not u may have to bens the upright end of the wire slightly...do not in doing so bend the long straight part as it will rattle and/or jam against the top of the column.

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Installing and Adjusting the Ignition Switch Standard (non-adjustable) Steering Column
You will need to remove the column from the car (or at least drop it down with the steering wheel resting on the front seat) so that you can access the ignition switch that is mounted down under the dash on top of the steering column. Also, be sure to disconnect your battery.

In order to correctly install the ignition switch it is necessary for the lock cylinder (where the ignition key is inserted) to be installed in the column and placed in the Off-Unlock position. Reach down to the steering column lever out in the engine compartment and move it down to its lowest position. Now rotate the lock cylinder all the way counterclockwise until it stops. The lock cylinder is now in the Off-Unlock position.

You now need to place the ignition switch in Off-Unlock position. You do this by moving the slider (where the rod from the steering column engages the switch) all the way to the end of travel to the Accessory position. It should detent and stay in that position. If in doubt, the other extreme will be the Start position and you will feel a spring return. Now move the slider two detent positions back from the Accessory position, this will be the Off-Unlock position.

Fit the actuator rod into the slider hole and assemble it to the column with the two fasteners. Lightly push the switch down the column (away from the steering wheel), to take out lash in the actuator rod, and tighten the mounting screws. Caution should be exercised to prevent moving the switch out of the Off-Unlock detent. Tighten the fasteners to 35 in-lbs.
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Ok...I'm completly & utterly frustrated...I have been trying to solve this problem today for the past 8 hours and I am no closer now than I was this morning.

I'm 99% sure I now have the ignition switch set properly....However I still am having the same problem...There seems to be no "Run" location....only "Start"

So I then started to look at my starter/solenoid setup....which is the high torque mini starter set up (also have HEI dist). This setup only has one small terminal on the solenoid....and after reading tons of the archive posts I came to the conclusion that I need to eliminate the yellow wire completly and hook the purple wire to that terminal....Thats all fine & dandy....the problem is that with the purple wire in place on the terminal I'm getting no power to the starter at all....But if I only use the yellow wire...I do get power and it will turn over but only in the "Run" position of the key!

Someone help before I slit my wrists....LOL

Thanks for everyones help so far....I am learning a bunch!

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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

how bout try it the other way... put the key in accessory, and move the switch till the radio comes on?
Sounds safer, anyway.

Also, if the yellow wire was your "cranks in run" problem, it's possible to likely that you've successfully corrected problem #1, and it's time to move to problem #2, which would be the neutral safety switch. The purple wire goes to the switch, then to the starter, and the switch only allows it to crank in neutral or park...

I'm not a 69 guru, but I "think" that switch is on the column, too, and is operated by the "backdrive linkage" from the trans. If you didn't put the backdrive on, it probably won't crank...

If you look at the column, there is a ring about 4" long, just outboard from the dash. If you imagine you had a column shifter, it's where that would attach. Hold the key in start, and rotate the ring fully counter clockwise, bet it cranks right over.





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Re: 69 Ignition / Starter Issues - HELP!

Thanks for everyones reply's.....I finally got it fixed...It was a culmination of a few things that did it ! (everybody's post's).

First the ignition switch was not adjusted properly... second I had the wrong wire (yellow) connected to the small terminal on my solenoid....(mini starter).

And lastly, I did not have the nuetral safety switch hooked up to my new Horseshoe shifter.

After a lot of pain & suffering I got It fixed....Thanks again for all the advice...You guys Rock!

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