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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old Nov 8th, 19, 06:13 AM Thread Starter
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Partial headliner removal?

Is it possible to remove the headliner around the upper seatbelt mount?

I have 1 of the 2 seatbelt bolts that doesn't want to come out. I was wondering if I can pull that part of the headliner to help get some PB blaster or something on the back side of the bolt's threads.
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Is it possible to remove the headliner around the upper seatbelt mount?

I have 1 of the 2 seatbelt bolts that doesn't want to come out. I was wondering if I can pull that part of the headliner to help get some PB blaster or something on the back side of the bolt's threads.
I donít think that would give you access to the back side of the bolt. And depending on how old your headliner is pulling it back will likely not go well imho.

Try an impact wrench on the bolt.

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post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old Nov 8th, 19, 07:20 AM
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Re: Partial headliner removal?

Impact driver. No, you won't be able to easily get to the back of the seatbelt mount bolt.

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Impact driver. No, you won't be able to easily get to the back of the seatbelt mount bolt.



It is a Phillip head screw. How can I use an impact driver? I would think it would strip the head in 1 second.


As of right now, it is not stripped, it just binds up at about 1/2 way out. I sprayed it with PB blaster and it turns easy but, still binds up.
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I donít think that would give you access to the back side of the bolt. And depending on how old your headliner is pulling it back will likely not go well imho.

Try an impact wrench on the bolt.

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It's the original headliner so, I don't know if it would peel back or just rip.
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It is a Phillip head screw. How can I use an impact driver? I would think it would strip the head in 1 second.


As of right now, it is not stripped, it just binds up at about 1/2 way out. I sprayed it with PB blaster and it turns easy but, still binds up.
You don't need an impact driver if you already have it broken free. It's just a 1/2" head though, so you could easily put a torx bit on it if you wanted to. Torx bits can have a tendency to shear off though so you'd have to be careful.
I know you put PB Blaster on, but have you soaked it and tightened it back in a few times? If not, try that. I bet it'll come right out. Be careful of drips though. You'll want to keep a towel around the bolt if you have your interior in to catch the liquid.
If you pulled off the pinch weld molding, you could probably peal back the head liner and not have it tear. It doesn't sound like you really need to though and you might end up stretching it. If it's factory and in good condition, I'd leave it alone. It depends on a lot of things though. My factory one was nearly perfect when I started, but after following the rabbit down the hole, I ended up replacing it. I'm glad I did because there ended up being a huge mouse nest above the driver side visor that I never would have known was there outside of a smell...
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You don't need an impact driver if you already have it broken free. It's just a 1/2" head though, so you could easily put a torx bit on it if you wanted to. Torx bits can have a tendency to shear off though so you'd have to be careful.
I know you put PB Blaster on, but have you soaked it and tightened it back in a few times? If not, try that. I bet it'll come right out. Be careful of drips though. You'll want to keep a towel around the bolt if you have your interior in to catch the liquid.
If you pulled off the pinch weld molding, you could probably peal back the head liner and not have it tear. It doesn't sound like you really need to though and you might end up stretching it. If it's factory and in good condition, I'd leave it alone. It depends on a lot of things though. My factory one was nearly perfect when I started, but after following the rabbit down the hole, I ended up replacing it. I'm glad I did because there ended up being a huge mouse nest above the driver side visor that I never would have known was there outside of a smell...

lol, I'm positive I have no mice so, at least I have that going for me!


Are you saying to hammer a torx head over the outside of the screw and let it bite into the head? Otherwise, my screw is not a hex or torx, it is a phillips head screw.


It looks like the prior owner tried to take it out and stopped half way out. I can turn it about 1/8 turn in and an 1/8 turn out. It locks up in both directions. After soaking it, it still turns the same amount but, just easier.
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Re: Partial headliner removal?

I think one of us is confused. Are you trying to get a Philips head screw out?

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It looks like you were trying to get a Philips head screw out and that I was confused. If so, an impact driver (not impact wrench or impact gun) if used carefully will get it past the point your stuck on. Without seeing it, it's tough to imagine what is making it stick. Rust? Peened over? Stripped? etc.

This is the tool I'm talking about if you don't know.

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It looks like you were trying to get a Philips head screw out and that I was confused. If so, an impact driver (not impact wrench) if used carefully will get it past the point your stuck on. Without seeing it, it's tough to imagine what is making it stick. Rust? Peened over? Stripped? etc.

This is the tool I'm talking about if you don't know.

Yes, it is the Phillips screw(2 of them total) that holds the upper seat belt mount to the roof/pillar. Sorry, I can't post a picture. Something is up with this account..



I can get a fresh bit and try a impact screw gun. I am just nervous to strip the head and then I am really in a bad situation.
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Yes, it is the Phillips screw(2 of them total) that holds the upper seat belt mount to the roof/pillar. Sorry, I can't post a picture. Something is up with this account..



I can get a fresh bit and try a impact screw gun. I am just nervous to strip the head and then I am really in a bad situation.
No, wrong tool. Hold on while I get a pic. You hit an impact driver with a hammer. I have a bad connection right now.

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Yes, it is the Phillips screw(2 of them total) that holds the upper seat belt mount to the roof/pillar. Sorry, I can't post a picture. Something is up with this account..



I can get a fresh bit and try a impact screw gun. I am just nervous to strip the head and then I am really in a bad situation.
After all the years of greatness, our Camaros.net site is going right down the hopper because all the ads are screwing everything up. Once I closed this site, a miracle occurred and my connection went back to normal.
Here is the tool I was talking about:

https://www.amazon.com/CRAFTSMAN-Imp...233810&sr=8-11
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post #13 of 26 (permalink) Old Nov 8th, 19, 10:43 AM Thread Starter
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After all the years of greatness, our Camaros.net site is going right down the hopper because all the ads are screwing everything up. Once I closed this site, a miracle occurred and my connection went back to normal.
Here is the tool I was talking about:

https://www.amazon.com/CRAFTSMAN-Imp...233810&sr=8-11

Ok yes, I tried one of those and it didn't budge. It wanted to start to strip and I have the right sized(and new) bit in there too.
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Ok yes, I tried one of those and it didn't budge. It wanted to start to strip and I have the right sized(and new) bit in there too.
Is this the area you're talking about? This was how mine looked when I opened it up. If you wanted to get behind a bolt here, you could carefully pull off the sail panel cover. That's separate from the headliner and might give you access to where you need, but probably not. Even if you were to pull off the headliner without ruining it, you wouldn't be able to get behind the bolt. It's enclosed.

20131030_164340 by Dave H, on Flickr

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Is this the area you're talking about? This was how mine looked when I opened it up. If you wanted to get behind a bolt here, you could carefully pull off the sail panel cover. That's separate from the headliner and might give you access to where you need, but probably not. Even if you were to pull off the headliner without ruining it, you wouldn't be able to get behind the bolt. It's enclosed.

20131030_164340 by Dave H, on Flickr

That's the area. I guess I will just keep soaking it and working it.
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