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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 01, 10:06 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hey guys, (and gals.)

Please help me out of a jam.

I need some digital imagery sent to my email account. Help. Help. Help.

I need photos that show the difference between the Muncie M20 and the Muncie M-21, in detail!!!

Photos of both if possible. Help.


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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 01, 10:35 AM
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I hope that i read your post correctly. The outside will look the same. It's the gears inside that make them M-20, M-21, M-22. The only other thing is the stamping on the outside of the case by the assembly date. A=M20, B=M21, C=M22. The ABC stamping, however, was only started mid-run for 1969.

You could get pics of the shafts. Those look different. Jerry MacNeish's The definitive Z28 and SS-396 book has pics.

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post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 8th, 01, 06:58 AM Thread Starter
 
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Yup, you're reading me right. Thanks.

Can you get me copies of the two different input shafts?

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post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 9th, 01, 01:00 AM
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The M-20 has 2 grooves on the input shaft and the M-21 has only one. There is still no guarantee on what the trans is though without counting the teeth on the inside unless it is a later model with a letter code on the casting. Of course someone could have still swapped the guts into one of these but is probably unlikely.
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post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 9th, 01, 08:17 PM
 
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Also, the M22 has a 1" countergear pin. The M21 and M20 used 7/8".

The book Chevrolet by the numbers, by Alan L. Colvin has an appendix in the back of the book about the "Rockcrusher". Hope this helps.
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post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 10th, 01, 02:10 AM
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Actually since 1966 the M-20 and M-21 also carried the 1" countergear pin. The only true way to tell is to count the teeth. the M-20 (1963-65) input shaft teeth on the gear (not splines) was 24 teeth. The countergear shaft teeth were 17, 19, 22 and 29. 1966-74 was 21 on the input and 17,19,22 and 25 on the countergear. The M-21 was 26 teeth on the input 17,19,22,27 on the countergear. The M-22 had the same teeth count as the M-21 but the helix angle of the gears is different. Hope this helps
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post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 11th, 01, 03:43 PM
 
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Sorry for the mis-info. Missed that tidbit when i read the article. Thanks for the correction Bedanobub. Gulcher
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old Nov 13th, 01, 05:03 PM
 
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You can put the trans in first gear and rotate the tailshaft 1 revoluton while counting the number of revolutions on the input shaft. This will give you the approximate first gear. Match this up with the first gear for either the M-20 or M-21/22. I know the M-20 has a lower first and I think it is aroung 2.5 vs 2.2 for the M-21/22. If you think it is the M21/22 you can take the side cover off to verify if the gears are straight cut.

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