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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 27th, 01, 02:45 AM Thread Starter
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I decided to build a 302 for my newest 67 project. I'm using a small journal 283 crank and 327 block. I found a forged crank already and was calling everybody I know to locate a 327 block. Last night I talked to a guy that said he had a block (1965 vintage). We got to talking and I told him what I was doing. He said he knew where there was a complete 69/302 for $150 dollars. I wanted to to use the small journal crank for less rotating weight and I don't care about it being orginal. Anyway I called the guy that has the 302 and he said it came out of a 69 that he junked. The motor is complete from carb to oil pan. I'm stopping by there on Sunday to take a look at it. My question is: If it's a real 69 302. Should I try to find a buyer for it that will use it in a resturation or use it as a block and crank donor? Also what are the numbers on the block. I have bought motors from the first guy I talked to before and he was always right on the money when it came to running the numbers before, so I believe that it is going to be what he says it is. I'll find out sunday. I'm a big believer in building the car the way you want to and I have never built a numbers matching car or a concurs car but I do enjoy going to shows and seeing them. Should I get it and sell it or use the block and crank. Being a 69 wouldn't it be a large journal? I would rather use a small journal and build my hot street motor that will be mostly aftermarket anyway. Any Ideas?
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 27th, 01, 03:24 AM
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Look for the DZ stamped on the front pad on the passenger side. If it's a complete DZ 302 motor, you should definitely consider using it for your project. Chevy built that motor to run all day in the 7000 rpm range so you know it's one of the strongest revving motors they made. If you buy it and decide to sell it, post the information on this site and there will be plenty of guys looking for specific parts depending on the dates. Heck, I still would like to get an 1178 crank, the rods and pistons for my 302, but I'm in no hurry and $$$ is tight right now.

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post #3 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 27th, 01, 05:47 AM
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depends on what you want. If it were me, and it's a real DZ motor, I'd either save it,look for a real Z with missing/incorrect motor, and restore it. Or I'd sell the motor to someone looking for a replacement motor in their real Z.

In my opinion, a 67 with a real 69 DZ motor is not worth much more than a 67 with a destroked 327.
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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 27th, 01, 07:56 AM
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I've seen complete DZ engines (needing a rebuild) go for as much as $5K before. I'll split the $150 with you and we can both make some money offering it up for half that!!

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post #5 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 27th, 01, 08:11 AM Thread Starter
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I'm not worried about the value of my 67. It's tubed with a 9" anyway I decided to build a 302 with nos and it's just going to be a street terror/strip car. I'll let you know what's up with the motor on sunday.
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post #6 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 28th, 01, 01:11 PM
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unless this guy has been in a coma for a few years, someone must have heard him wrong. if it were on the bottom of the ocean floor for the last couple of years it might be only worth 150.00.
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post #7 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 28th, 01, 01:50 PM Thread Starter
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The guy that has it is in jail. His father is selling it,and to his dad it's just a old motor. I'm checking it out on Sat. instead of Sun. I'll let everybody know what's up with it
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whats he in jail for? he might come looking for the buyer in 20! (j/k)
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post #9 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 28th, 01, 05:04 PM
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If after you check it out and it is a real DZ engine and you see a vin stamped,Please give us guys that have real Z's missing the engines a chance to see if it might belong to one of them.I would think this would only be right, as I would do this.
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post #10 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 28th, 01, 06:37 PM
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I agree tracyracy. I keep a glimmer of hope that somewhere out there my DZ block is still alive and kicking and hasn't been turned into 10,000 ashtrays or something equally horrible.
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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 29th, 01, 06:57 AM
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Tracyrecey,MWH-I wholeheartedly agree!!!!!I keep looking for #614635 everywhere I go!!!I once spoke to one of the previous owners of my car who claims he was the one who "popped" the DZ motor,but he was a jerk and could offer no information as to what became of the motor.I'm still looking!!

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post #12 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 30th, 01, 02:06 PM Thread Starter
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well I should have went over yesterday like I wanted to. I got there today and it was being loaded up as I pulled in. Someone else got it. I asked him If I could take a look at it. The block was stamped with the DZ and I didn't get the rest of the numbers. For a quick look over at night it looked to be all original. I offered to buy it from the guy for $354 dollars(all I had) but he said NO. He said he was putting it up on E-bay . After talking to the original owner that pulled the motor he said that there was only about 30,000 mile on the motor. It looked pretty clean. The new owner talked him down to $75 and took the motor. Naturally I had to tell the previous owner what it was worth. Well anybody looking for a 302 should check E-bay in the next couple of weeks. On a side note I got my block and crank for my small journal 302 build up. Sorry guys that I didn't get there sooner
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$75... Wow! It'll be interesting to see what happens to it on Ebay.

TracyRacy, Peter, maybe we need to start a support group... "Z's without DZ's". I would bet there are a lot of us. =)

I know my #689364 is out there somewhere.

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post #14 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 30th, 01, 04:07 PM
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sorry to hear that blown67, i can see you have my luck .
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post #15 of 21 (permalink) Old Dec 31st, 01, 04:34 AM
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Now we know what his father was in jail for.
Selling drugs to his son!
What planet has this guy been on for the last ten years to sell any 30,000 mile motor for 75 dollars.
The new owner must have been one cool customer to talk the guy down to 75 dollars with a straight face.

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