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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old May 24th, 16, 07:00 PM Thread Starter
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Help me build a great street combo

Here's the deal I came across for only $2500 :

1) LQ4 running engine with 90,000 miles. It came out of a wrecked truck and it was running good when pulled.

2) A new set of LS3 cnc ported heads with offset intake rockers . I know these heads are BIG for a small cam. That's ok, they rock at 5000+ rpm.

3) A Holley single plane intake

I want to build a 480 to 500 hp street engine that will idle as smooth as possible.
I plan on using an automatic trans ; 4L80 with TCI controller.

I also plan on using a carb for now. The changeover to FI is more work and at least another $1500.
So I will probably trade the single plane intake for a dual plane like an edelbrock rpm.

So how much cam will I need to reach 480?
I'd like to keep a stock torque converter in the 4L80e if possible.

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Re: Help me build a great street combo

I'm no expert but anything I say could be wrong, LQ4s make like what 335HP stock? With the heads swap it will boost it a bit but I had an LQ4 that was running a z06 cam and it made just about 370(crank power) so you would need a pretty fat cam. Also, try doing some minor things like swapping the springs in the heads if you're gonna run a bigger cam. Also, run 3in exhaust over 2.5 I've always seen better numbers with the 3.

Side note, you might loose a bit of power not running FI.
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Carbed with make more peak then EFI although you won't have the same drivability.

Mill the LS3 heads to get compression up and use a low lift high duration cam like the GM performance hot cams used in the 480 and 525 LS3s. Will not have to cut Pistons. 2.5 exhaust is fine unless you just want more noise. Go to the dual plane sooner then later.

Don't go crazy on the stall and you'll have a great driving street machine.

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Carbed with make more peak then EFI although you won't have the same drivability.

Mill the LS3 heads to get compression up and use a low lift high duration cam like the GM performance hot cams used in the 480 and 525 LS3s. Will not have to cut Pistons. 2.5 exhaust is fine unless you just want more noise. Go to the dual plane sooner then later.

Don't go crazy on the stall and you'll have a great driving street machine.
Sounds good.

The LS3 heads have 70 cc chambers which I think would put the compression around 9.7 to 1 (stock heads have 73 cc chambers- 9.4-1).

What about this ? I was thinking about buying a set of stock LS3 pistons 4.065" bore - $250 on ebay and boring/installing them. That's the most an LQ4 block can be safely bored.

That should help the heads flow better and add 12 cu in or so.

And the added cubes might help compression enough so the heads won't need to be milled ?

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Re: Help me build a great street combo

LS3 heads on a LQ4 and any decent cam will need the pistons fly-cut.(intake valve size)
LQ4 with stock heads and a decent cam can/will get you there.
LQ4 heads are 72ish cc
LS3 heads are 69ish cc
Some other factory heads are better choices, but again, may need to fly-cut with any decent cam.

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Build for torque.
Dual plane, EFI, small stall convertor - 11 or 12 inch, 1.87 inch headers w/long collectors & X-pipe,
Most important - lose weight in the car = free power.

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LS3 heads on a LQ4 and any decent cam will need the pistons fly-cut.(intake valve size)
Another good reason to install the LS3 pistons:

Avoid fly-cutting; bigger bore works better with the LS3 heads and 12 more cubic inches.

Sounds like a win, win, win

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Re: Help me build a great street combo

LQ4/LS3 combos with good cams and fly-cuts are in the 10's. Just haven't sorted out mine yet

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Doug: LQ4/LS3 combos with good cams and fly-cuts are in the 10's. Just haven't sorted out mine yet
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A stock 6.0L iron block, L92 (LS3) heads and a small Comp Cam (228/230)

gave 551 hp. Wow.

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A stock 6.0L iron block, L92 (LS3) heads and a small Comp Cam (228/230)

gave 551 hp. Wow.

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Last month, we baselined this engine with a GMPP Hot cam using the stock, iron 6.0L heads, and it made a stout 483 hp.
The GMPP Hot cams are only 525 lift. The LS3 heads like duration more then lift and are very streetable.
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I have an LQ9 factory lower end, with a set of LS3 heads with a comp cam 273LR .610/.617, 223/231, LS3 FI system, 92 MM TB and Spectre cold air intake. Finally had it tuned by slow hawk and I got 408 HP, 388 TQ to the rear wheels on a mustang dyno. Looks like the smaller cam set up would of made better HP and TQ! Sounds great and pulls like a champ...not sure if the HP and TQ can be that much of a difference from rear wheels to flywheel? So my vote would be the Comp Cam in your build.

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The GMPP Hot cams are only 525 lift. The LS3 heads like duration more then lift and are very streetable.
I just got home with the engine/parts that I bought from a friend at work.

1) The cnc LS3 heads (are beautiful- still in the box)

2)He also threw in a set of Crane 1.8 roller rockers which will put the hot cam right at the max recommended lift of .550"
3) There was the 1999 6.0L Silverado engine and
4) a new victor jr single plane in a box.

The engine still had the intake and injectors. I doubt those injectors could support 480 hp but I will investigate that.
And that year engine had the cast iron 317 heads , so I will try to sell those.

I plan on running a 750 carb and performer rpm intake. Strongly leaning toward the 750 street demon. I like the design of them and the guys at Team Chevelle like it a lot.

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Build for torque.
Dual plane, EFI, small stall convertor - 11 or 12 inch, 1.87 inch headers w/long collectors & X-pipe,
Most important - lose weight in the car = free power.
Are you saying I need to lose weight ??

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I have an LQ9 factory lower end, with a set of LS3 heads with a comp cam 273LR .610/.617, 223/231, LS3 FI system, 92 MM TB and Spectre cold air intake. Finally had it tuned by slow hawk and I got 408 HP, 388 TQ to the rear wheels on a mustang dyno. Looks like the smaller cam set up would of made better HP and TQ! Sounds great and pulls like a champ...not sure if the HP and TQ can be that much of a difference from rear wheels to flywheel? So my vote would be the Comp Cam in your build.
I don't know how "reliable" these dyno hp measurements are. I bet yours is higher than that.

Probably the best measurement is on the track.

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