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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old Dec 7th, 16, 09:26 AM Thread Starter
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Question Source for LS engine?

So I am thinking about doing an LS swap in my 67 and wanted to know where others have sourced their engines from. I was looking at Tilden motorsports, they do take out engines and crate motors along with custom harnesses and flashed ECMs, their take outs have a one year warrantee, $3500 for an LQ4, 4k for an LS1. This includes all accessories also. Suggestions? Was thinking I would go turbo at some point too, not fully set on what engine either. Hoping to stay within my 8k budget for the whole thing.


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What tranny? Swap parts needed plus fuel system, cooling system, headers, exhaust etc will add to the cost. Need electric cooling fans if you don't have already

The take out acc. will not work without additional relocate brackets and parts depending on what the motor came out of. Other little things add up real fast.

These take out motors typically have IMO high miles. (according to the salvage guys anything under 120K is low mile) I personally would not spend the time and money to use one unless I went through it. Plus they are less then 325 HP so usually at least a cam swap is desired. Plus valve springs etc. Swap the cam and add headers will necessitate a custom tune. If factory gauges are being used you'll need to figure out the cable drive speedo conversion or adapter. Tach will need an adapter. Drive shaft will be shortened and probably a new yoke. Next you'll need a new X-member or some have hacked the OEM to work.

By the time you go thru an old motor you could have bought a GMPP crate motor with 430 HP and a 50,000 24 month warranty.

I suggest you put together a list of the parts and the budgeted costs before you start. Post the list and we can let you know if you're missing anything. Don't forget shipping costs.
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Re: Source for LS engine?

I thought about building this:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpe-hp93

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fif-70001

Of course you will need coils, covers, and a subharness for the coils as well as other misc items. After figuring it all out though, it would be roughly $1500 less than the LS3 430 with the wiring harness/pedal.

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I thought about building this:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpe-hp93

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fif-70001

Of course you will need coils, covers, and a subharness for the coils as well as other misc items. After figuring it all out though, it would be roughly $1500 less than the LS3 430 with the wiring harness/pedal.
Don't forget the 450.00 core charge.

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Re: Source for LS engine?

Bill, this is what I am in the middle of building for my new project ... Resto-Mod 1966 Toyota FJ40 Landcruiser

High mile (125Mi) LQ9 out of a 2004 Escalade, tearing it down and redoing all the wearable parts, and then bought brand new all the parts to build exactly as seen below
All in I'm about $6500 Canadian, so I'm sure it can be done for less in the US

Your budget of $8k is solid if your just talking about the motor ... but like John has stated, ALL the other crap adds up BIG time

FYI .. if your going turbo stick with the LQ4 at 9.5:1 Cr


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Re: Source for LS engine?

You plan to turbo ?....look at 5.3L motors for cheap Lots going that route.

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then add a Chinese turbo....

Think about all those 1500 Silverados out there for the pickings....go to a local auction and buy a low mileage wreck.

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Don't forget the 450.00 core charge.
I didn't. My figures included the core fee. Of course it didn't include the PS pump, alternator, etc but neither does the >$8K LS3 430 with the ECU/pedal.

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What tranny? Swap parts needed plus fuel system, cooling system, headers, exhaust etc will add to the cost. Need electric cooling fans if you don't have already

The take out acc. will not work without additional relocate brackets and parts depending on what the motor came out of. Other little things add up real fast.

These take out motors typically have IMO high miles. (according to the salvage guys anything under 120K is low mile) I personally would not spend the time and money to use one unless I went through it. Plus they are less then 325 HP so usually at least a cam swap is desired. Plus valve springs etc. Swap the cam and add headers will necessitate a custom tune. If factory gauges are being used you'll need to figure out the cable drive speedo conversion or adapter. Tach will need an adapter. Drive shaft will be shortened and probably a new yoke. Next you'll need a new X-member or some have hacked the OEM to work.

By the time you go thru an old motor you could have bought a GMPP crate motor with 430 HP and a 50,000 24 month warranty.

I suggest you put together a list of the parts and the budgeted costs before you start. Post the list and we can let you know if you're missing anything. Don't forget shipping costs.

Tranny is still up in the air, I have an M21 in there now, was thinking of maybe just going with a newer auto, with the improvements in trannys now a days I feel that the only reason to have a manual is because you like to shift and I am pretty happy with the 5speed auto in my 300C. Next week I am going to have back surgery and figure I will spend my 2 months recovery time planning out the swap and doing more research. Also want to do something about the crappy brakes and the spring wrap it has now.


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I thought about building this:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hpe-hp93

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fif-70001

Of course you will need coils, covers, and a subharness for the coils as well as other misc items. After figuring it all out though, it would be roughly $1500 less than the LS3 430 with the wiring harness/pedal.
Need

Front cover
Rear cover
Oil pump
Water pump
Rocker covers
Cam tensioner
Coil packs
Brackets
Coil harness
Plugs
Plug wires
Sensors
Balancer
Bolts for above

You'll be in over the LS3 430. And still have an iron block.

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Re: Source for LS engine?

What about this crate motor kit?
Tilden Motorsports LS3 Ready To Run Engine Package
Includes corvette accessories, not sure about fitment in a first gen.


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Need

Front cover
Rear cover
Oil pump
Water pump
Rocker covers
Cam tensioner
Coil packs
Brackets
Coil harness
Plugs
Plug wires
Sensors
Balancer
Bolts for above

You'll be in over the LS3 430. And still have an iron block with about 350 HP
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Re: Source for LS engine?

Ah, there are a couple things in that list I hadn't accounted for. Still, all figured, this setup would run about $1200 less than the E-Rod LS3, and is advertised at 460hp, not 350hp. Definitely heavier. Definitely a lot more work to make it work. I'm evaluating all my options lol.

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Re: Source for LS engine?

I guess I could always hit some car shows over the summer and try to snag a Summit 10% off coupon. That would narrow the gap substantially.

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Ah, there are a couple things in that list I hadn't accounted for. Still, all figured, this setup would run about $1200 less than the E-Rod LS3, and is advertised at 460hp, not 350hp. Definitely heavier. Definitely a lot more work to make it work. I'm evaluating all my options lol.
E-Rod cost more then the LS3 430
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Re: Source for LS engine?

Yes, but I believe that is because it comes with the ECU and harness/pedal, as well as manifolds and cats. The FiTech is self contained EFI. Just trying to compare apples to apples.

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