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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old Aug 23rd, 18, 11:39 AM Thread Starter
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Yet another Frame stand/Mount question

Hi team,

I’ve been doing some research and I must admit I’m a little scattered.

I’m having some trouble determining which frame stands I need as well as engine mounts.

Currently the car is a ‘68 base 327/210 originally 3spd floor shift.

Looking on Pozzi’s website, it appears the 302, 327, and 350 share the same p/n’s across the board as far as frame stands go.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, I was under the assumption that the 302/350 May have used a shorter stand.

I’m currently looking at the energy suspension 31147G mounts.

Would you all mind steering me in the right direction? I believe I may be overthinking this and it could be as simple as just ordering the actual engine brackets, not frame stands.

Also, any cheaper mounts anyone knows of would be great!

I realize there’s a bunch of different mounts for different configurations of oil pans, accessory drives, headers, etc.

At this point, I’m just looking to get the engine test fitted and intend to plan the others around the mounts, although I know with some mounts, you’re locked into certain parts.
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old Aug 23rd, 18, 12:28 PM
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What frame stands do you have now?

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What frame stands do you have now?
Hi Vegas,

They should be the low performance 3955183(L) and 3980938(R) brackets.

I haven’t had the engine out in about 10yrs, but if memory serves me right, the engine mounts have only been replaced, not the frame stands, so they should be the born with 327/210 low-po stands.

Can I use the short and wide engine mounts with these? I’ve read online if you use the “wrong” stands, you’ll have to shim about 1/4” and I’d really rather not mess around with geometry and janky shims.
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depends on the swap plates
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depends on the swap plates
I’m looking at this kit from energy suspension: 31147G the chrome is lame and I’m sure adds some kind of cost.

I’m also willing to change the frame stands/swap plates to something that’s known to work that won’t break the bank.
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Re: Yet another Frame stand/Mount question

OK

You're doing an LS swap. So you are looking at the ES swap mount that comes with plates.

Where does this put the engine v stock position?

Are your frame stands short wide or tall narrow?

What Pan? Tranny? Crossmember?

You really need to get everything sorted out before you buy anything.

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OK

You're doing an LS swap. So you are looking at the ES swap mount that comes with plates.

Where does this put the engine v stock position?

Are your frame stands short wide or tall narrow?

What Pan? Tranny? Crossmember?

You really need to get everything sorted out before you buy anything.

Tall and narrow.

It seems if I buy a pan, that locks me into engine positions and brackets.

Trans is 4l60 (I know lol)

I plan on purchasing probably some kind of tubular cross member based on where everything sits on Mach up. I’m willing to move this around.

I’ve heard different things on moving back and forth, I would prefer set back, but I’ve also read there could be steering box issues (800), but of course, I’m sure mounts also play into this, hence, my confliction.
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Tall and narrow.

It seems if I buy a pan, that locks me into engine positions and brackets.

Trans is 4l60 (I know lol)

I plan on purchasing probably some kind of tubular cross member based on where everything sits on Mach up. Iím willing to move this around.

Iíve heard different things on moving back and forth, I would prefer set back, but Iíve also read there could be steering box issues (800), but of course, Iím sure mounts also play into this, hence, my confliction.
I bought everything from Holley and it fits great.

Mixing and matching parts from different companies could be a nightmare.

And now Holley has an oil pan that accommodates a stroker LS if you go down that path in the future.

Nothing wrong with a 4L60; I used a bigger 4L80e and it installed with no cutting of the tunnel.

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Thanks for the direction.

Yeah, I was trying to piece together the right combo, but of course when it comes down to actually ordering and all of the measurements and different configurations, I agree that it may just be best to go with a kit.

I’ve noticed each kit has their disadvantages where some of the quality may not be the best, headers, etc...

I found a pretty reasonable kit from energy suspension that has a pan and mounts, although I’ve seen pretty mixed reviews on the energy suspension mounts for first gens. p/n: 355-3-1117GK

I’ll probably just go with the Holley kit though as it seems like it didn’t give you any headaches. I don’t have a lot of access to metals and fab tools.

As far as the 4l60 goes, I plan to go through it an upgrade the weak areas. My buddy was nice enough to sell me his 6.0 for a very reasonable price. I’d love to do a 4l80, but where I’m at, they are very expensive. I hope it’ll last long with about 450-470atc.
Plan on daily driving it and I don’t intend to go very hard on it, or really drag race it. Maybe a road course a few times.

Will update as I go along, should be a blast. I’ve wanted to do this for 10+yrs now.
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Re: Yet another Frame stand/Mount question

I used the Holley mounts and they were worth every penny. I have a 4L70 in mine and it fit with no mods as well. The only issue was I had to get 45 degree fittings for the tranny lines.

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Trying to piece meal parts is not the way to go. Get the Holley kit and you will avoid major problems.

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Re: Yet another Frame stand/Mount question

I went with the Holley/Hooker 3/4 length headers and was surprised how much clearance they had around the steering box.

The closest point of any tube was 1/2".

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