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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 6th, 02, 06:34 PM Thread Starter
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I looking at buying my first 1st-gen Camaro. It is a 69 SS 396, factory code hugger orange w/white stripes. The guy says it has no X codes but it is a true big block. It has the five-leaf-springs, 12-bolt posi w/3.73 gears, 1 inch front & rear stabilizer bars, front disc brakes, front & rear spoilers, larger fuel line, second return fuel line, and 4-speed Muncie. He's asking $12,500 and it needs paint. Engine/tranny run great and body/int is clean no rust. Can there be an SS camaro w/out any X codes? And is this a fair price?
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post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 02, 01:44 AM
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First, if it has the original drivetrain, you can decode those to see if they match the VIN of the car. An original big block will surely be an SS. If no X code is present on the cowl tag, it could be an early built car or it was built in LA. Some other things to look for are - welded steel brace on drivers side rear frame to mount a tail pipe hanger, front power disk brakes, etc.. I couldn't put a value on anything I can't confirm.
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post #3 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 02, 07:23 PM
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Look on the extension of the pass side block deck, behind the alternator. see if the vin matches the car. Also look on the tranny, the VIN should be on it, too.

If not, it still may be an original big block. here are some things to look for as clues.

The sway bars are not original. Original front sway bar is 11/16". Some COPOs had 13/16". Rear sway bars did not come from the factory.

See if the heater hoses exit through the center of the heater box, on the cowl. Small block came through at the inside edge of the box.

look at cross member. 4 speeds would be a stamped/welded piece. It has a square hole in the underside, with one corner cut at a 45.

Check the shifter bracket. If the bracked holds the shifter about 3/4" out from the tranny. If it's about 3/8", it's a small block shifter bracket.

Check the little bracket that holds the shroud to the core support. If it is a 3/4" by 3/4" by about 2" stamped angle bracket, it would be correct for big block. If it is a 2" wide L shape with the long part being about 3", it's a small block bracket. (also the small block bracket has a groove down the middle.)

All of the above can be changed, but are often not changed in a conversion
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post #4 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 02, 07:28 PM
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Oops! If the shifter bracket holds the shifter out about 3/4", it's a big block bracket. If it's 3/8", it's a small block bracket
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post #5 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 02, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Cool...thanks for the info. I'm going to go check it out tomorrow. I'll make a post if I come home with a new toy!!
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