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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 30th, 02, 04:32 AM Thread Starter
 
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Has anyone out there used Enviro-Safe Refrigerant? They claim there is no retrofitting and fully compatible as a "direct drop in replacement with either R-12 Freon or R-134a systems". When I attended the Chevellabration last June in Nashville, I talked with a guy that swore by this stuff. I just wanted to know if there was anyone else out there that has tried it. Just sounds too good to be true!
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 30th, 02, 10:55 AM
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I had 134 in my beater work car (89 Cavalier) that originaly used R12, the 134 wasnt near as cold as the R12 so I got some of the new Freeze 12, its a lot colder than the 134 was and only $6.00 a can.
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post #3 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 31st, 02, 12:38 PM
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I also heard that the freeze 12 is the way to go.
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post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 31st, 02, 03:25 PM
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I have used freeze 12 by the case (several cases every season) for over 2 years now, and if there are problems I am not aware of them.

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post #5 of 15 (permalink) Old Jul 31st, 02, 10:58 PM
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where can a guy find this "freeze 12"?

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post #6 of 15 (permalink) Old Aug 1st, 02, 04:02 AM
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http://www.aircondition.com/wwwboard/2002Q1/71704.html
Alot can be learned from visiting this A/C website. There are people there that specialize in A/C. Very helpful, and friendly. I took the online test so I can buy R-12 and service A/C systems.

It is worth taking the time to learn what works, rather than throw away money that could be spent elsewhere.
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post #7 of 15 (permalink) Old Aug 1st, 02, 04:31 AM
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My local Napa store sells Freeze 12.
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post #8 of 15 (permalink) Old Aug 1st, 02, 05:13 AM
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Whoa, are we saying that we can switch from the old R-12 to the new Freeze 12 without doing the conversion you have to do with R-134?
I have an 88 F*** pickup that I replaced the compressor on with one from the junk yard just to get a good clutch. I've never done the R-134 conversion. Maybe now I don't have to
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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old Aug 1st, 02, 02:32 PM
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Yep, Freeze 12 is a direct replacement for R12, Advance Auto chains also carry Freeze 12.
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Good news. I may see if I can get this thing working. Now since I've had the compressor off and the system totally vacuated, I've been told I need to put some kind of oil in there too? What kind, how much and how do you put it in? And how many cans of Freeze-12 do you think I'll need?
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Winch:
Good news. I may see if I can get this thing working. Now since I've had the compressor off and the system totally vacuated, I've been told I need to put some kind of oil in there too? What kind, how much and how do you put it in? And how many cans of Freeze-12 do you think I'll need?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not being sarcastic or anything........but if you know that little about auto a/c, and your system in general, you'd be better off taking it to someone who specializes in this field, or find a good friend that knows about it.

Your system may be empty, but unless a vacuum pump was used, it's not totally
"evacuated".

One slip with a can of R12, or whatever you use, and a person can be blinded.

Good luck in whatever you choose to do.



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Thanks for the input. Too bad you didn't answer the question. I DO have a friend who will actually do the process. I just wanted to know what to pick up at the auto parts store before going over to his house.
Anyone with an answer?
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I'm not going to say Freeze 12 doesn't work but just a word of caution. Many of these "drop in" replacements contain propane which is flamable and can prove dangerous in automotive applications. I'm not saying this particular product has it but be careful.

Another issue about subsitutes for R12 is that it has caused alot of grief for people by contaminating their recycling equipment and has caused another "special" piece of equipment to be invented/purchased to identify what type of freon / gases / contaminates are in a vehicles A/C system.
Of course the cost of this equipment is passed down to the consumer and drives the cost of A/C repair even higher.

Food for thought! Good luck in whatever you choose.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Winch:
Thanks for the input. Too bad you didn't answer the question. I DO have a friend who will actually do the process. I just wanted to know what to pick up at the auto parts store before going over to his house.
Anyone with an answer?
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"IF" your friend knows what he is doing......He should have books that list capacities of the vehicle in question.

If not.....I'd suggest that you invest in a book on your particular vehicle. Books are a good thing to have, especially when you're trying to learn about something.

I have to buy books for other peoples vehicles that I work on. I don't get to charge them to the job either!

I'd also pay attention to what drew69 has to say about "drop in" replacements, and the grief that they cause a/c techs.

Good luck on the job.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Winch:
Thanks for the input. Too bad you didn't answer the question. I DO have a friend who will actually do the process. I just wanted to know what to pick up at the auto parts store before going over to his house.
Anyone with an answer?
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I was at autozone the other day, and I saw they had a tire-pressure like gauge that told you how much was in there. Maybe you should pick up one of those, and my guess is 4 pounds of the fr 12 should be enough. They also had a ton of other stuff for servicing AC systems.



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