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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 28th, 02, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
 
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Were there different factory Hurst shifters used with or without a console on the 69 Z-28’s? I am trying to install a Hurst with the 3138 number stamped on it and it will not clear the factory hole in the floor enough to catch reverse. The car is pretty low mileage and still has the factory undercarriage paint on the hole that looks like it was cut through from the bottom with a cutting torch. It also looks like if I was to open up the hole some I then would run into the same problem with the insert from the console. Any help will be appreciated.
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 28th, 02, 06:06 PM
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Same shifter, with or without console.
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post #3 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 12:53 AM
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Just curious.. does that shifter bolt to the side of the tailhousing or use the big U bolt around the end of the tailhousing and a bracket that goes under the motor mount?
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post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 01:38 AM
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If you do not have all the correct factory pieces, the shifter will be in the wrong place. I suspect your tranny tailhousing is wrong or the mounting bracket is wrong. It will matter if you have a small block or a big block as well.

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post #5 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 03:04 AM
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Factory shifters bolt to a bracket that bolts to the tailhousing. As mentioned previously, the small block engine sits in the centerline of the car, so it uses a small bracket. The big block engine is offset to the passenger side, to allow clearance on the steering gear. So the bracket is longer, to bring the shifter back to the correct position. As a side note, since the shifter is now more outboard of the tranny, the big block shifter uses slightly different shifter linkage.
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post #6 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 03:05 AM
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Factory shifters bolt to a bracket that bolts to the tailhousing. As mentioned previously, the small block engine sits in the centerline of the car, so it uses a small bracket. The big block engine is offset to the passenger side, to allow clearance on the steering gear. So the bracket is longer, to bring the shifter back to the correct position. As a side note, since the shifter is now more outboard of the tranny, the big block shifter uses slightly different shifter linkage.
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post #7 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 03:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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I believe I have all the right parts to mount the shifter. I have the factory “9 hole” mounting plate which bolts to the tail shaft with the factory bolts. I did cruise ebay after I posted this yesterday and there is a shifter on there that looks like its what I need. That one has a 45 degree bend coming up from the shifter body to were the handle mounts. I think with that offset I would be OK. The shifter that I have does not have this offset. I can send a picture of mine if someone needs to see it. I wish I knew how to add the link to that picture on ebay. Now my question is how many different 3138 shifters are there, and what do I have?
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post #8 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 03:53 AM
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If your shifter doesn't have the offset where the handle attaches it's wrong. The offset is unique to the first generation Camaro'
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post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 04:12 AM Thread Starter
 
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After reading Unreals reply, is there a different shifter for a big block? If the transmission were offset then I think this would work. The shifter has 3138 stamped on it. It also has "570922D" as well as the Hurst patent numbers. I am assuming D=April, 22=day, 9=1969, but I could be wrong.
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post #10 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 04:47 AM
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BB and SB shifters are the same, as is with console and without console. BB uses a different mounting bracket and linkage rods.
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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 04:52 AM
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Check out these pictures, it may be of some help http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1854288310
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post #12 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 04:55 AM
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Heres another! hope this helps http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1854675481

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post #13 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 05:54 AM
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The big block shifter assy is the same as the SB but the linkage and bkt are different. 3138 is correct but if you do not have the offset arm, someone has rebuilt it with aftermarket or non-Camaro specific parts. The factory stick does not use the 2 bolts to attach to the shifter. If you have 2 bolts holding the shifter stick on, it has definately been switched. Factory is a push in style attachment.

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post #14 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 07:00 AM
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What is the trick to getting the shifter tower loose from a factory shifter?
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post #15 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 02, 07:03 AM Thread Starter
 
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My shifter has the push in style round handle that is shown in the Camaro assembly manual. The one I am removing has the flat handle that is bolted on, aftermarket shifters also have the front and rear stop bolts on the shifter housing. My guess might now be a past rebuild of the shifter with the wrong piece installed. Lots of the parts inside had numbers stamped on them. Anyone know what should be the right number for that offset handle attachment part?
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