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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 18th, 11, 12:06 PM Thread Starter
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American Eagle Radiator

I just ordered an American Eagle aluminum radiator off eBay for my 68.
For $159.94 (including shipping) I figured I would give it a try.
I contacted them, and they assured me that if I was unhappy with it for any reason, they would give me a full refund...including all shipping charges.
They have 100% positive feedback with 208 units sold.

I probably should have gone with a higher quality unit, but the worst thing that could happen is that it is junk and I'll have to return it.

I'll let y'all know how it checks out when it arrives.

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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 18th, 11, 04:12 PM
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Re: American Eagle Radiator

Thanks Chris.

I'm going to need one for a BBC. Post some pics !
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post #3 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 18th, 11, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
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As soon as it arrives, I will take some pics and post them.

Before I placed the order, I went to the American Eagle Radiator website for more information. It all seemed good, so I went back to eBay and clicked on "Buy It Now."
After I sent my payment through paypal, I found my payment went to "Champion Cooling." Something tells me that American Eagle Radiators and Champion Radiators are the same thing. Not that I mind too much, since I have heard good things about Champion radiators. I'm just not very happy that American Eagle radiators may be made in China.
I will confirm this when it arrives and let everyone know.

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I will be interested in hearing what you find out Chris. Thanks.

68 Camaro SS 396 - 468 BBC now, M21, 12 bolt 3.73 coded housing but w/ 3.31 gears.
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post #5 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 20th, 11, 07:10 PM
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You fell for the oldest trick in the book. Use a lot of patriotic or American terms to make an offshore part sound like it may be made in the US. $160 shipped for an aluminum radiator should have tipped you off.

Don't worry though....I've got a three row Champion and cannot make the car hit 180 degrees even at extended idle.

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post #6 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 20th, 11, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
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I thought the price was low
I checked out the American Eagle Radiator website. It stated "The area of our factory is 243,000 square feet and our warehouse is 47,000 square feet located in Southern California."
I placed the order after reading that. Then when I went back to read the website again, I realized that technically it stated the warehouse was in California, not the factory. You are right...I did fall for it.
Steiner, I did read some of your posts about your radiator in the past. That is why I am not too upset about what I am getting.
I'll see how it works out and let everyone know.

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post #7 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 23rd, 11, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
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My radiator arrived today.
It is the Champion aluminum radiator as I expected.
It was packed very well and arrived in excellent condition. The welds all look good.
It will be a while before I am ready to start the engine, but so far it looks ok.
I feel better knowing others have had good luck with the Champion brand.

Just beware...if you are ordering a radiator from American Eagle Radiator Company out of California, you will be getting a Champion Cooling radiator made in China.

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post #8 of 18 (permalink) Old Mar 3rd, 11, 10:51 AM
 
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That's part of the Champion gimmick. When ever one of their 15 or so Ebay IDs gets too much negative feedback, they create a new one and offer low-ball pricing to get the feedback pumped up. Then when that new one gets some negative feedback, they dump it and repeat the process again with a new ID.
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That's part of the Champion gimmick. When ever one of their 15 or so Ebay IDs gets too much negative feedback, they create a new one and offer low-ball pricing to get the feedback pumped up. Then when that new one gets some negative feedback, they dump it and repeat the process again with a new ID.
ebay allows that???!

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post #10 of 18 (permalink) Old Mar 3rd, 11, 11:55 AM
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Anybody want to hear my radiator story from last season? As you know, you're gonna get it anyway.

I'm on the stagging lane. Track manager gives me the throat-slash, kill your engine universal signal. I did. Fan clutch failed, coned forward and took out my recent Griffin radiator. The original fan went along for the ride but was not damaged. Of course the weekend was over. Loaded up the car and went home. The Griffin was a $675 unit. Not good. Called Summit. We talked at length while he (salesman) gave me measurements and I measured. Then he quoted their "universal" aluminum radiator. $215. The dimensions were great. 'Where is it made' I asked. 'I don't know' he said. 'Drat' I said. (it was more like)
So I ordered it. Two days later I was looking at nearly an exact copy of my original L78/ZL1 radiator. (still have it) But this one had no petcock or side mount brackets. No sweat. Mine sits in a tray that I built about 25 years ago. And this radiator is an exact perfect fit for a BBC 69 Camaro. 'universal' huh?
And the carton didn't have a place of manufacture on it. What the hell happened to our trade laws?

This is an old Hayden. Indistinguishable from my original, except for the self destruction, of course.


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Here's the Summit 'universal'. Even the lower outlet is perfectly angled toward the waterpump. That takes the twist-load off of the hose. The Griffin, nor the original did that.
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Also it will not let the engine temp rise above 170 at anytime. Just an option for you Chris.

http://www.entropyrad.com/ OK, wait a minute. Where were you guys when I needed you?

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1000cfm AED and HD Harold-Lunati SR, 725 lift with shaft rockers too.
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post #11 of 18 (permalink) Old Mar 3rd, 11, 06:30 PM
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Got mine from Entrophy, sure paid a bit more but I support the USA stuff. Got a direct drop in and it even fit my factory shroud. Yea, I know the shroud upper bracket is in the wrong place, still looking for a roundtoit.
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ebay allows that???!

Yep, just like Team Camaro allows a vendor to join the board and devote over half their posts to bashing a competitor's product.

FYI, the ebay vendor I bought my Champion radiator from almost two years ago is still active, has been a member since 2002, and has a feedback of nearly 2500 with 99.5% positive. Meanwhile a buddy of mine has bought two radiators directly from Griffin since they are right down the road and both of them cracked open. Like it or not, there are some offshore manufacturers that offer a fair balance between quality and price.

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Yep, just like Team Camaro allows a vendor to join the board and devote over half their posts to bashing a competitor's product.

FYI, the ebay vendor I bought my Champion radiator from almost two years ago is still active, has been a member since 2002, and has a feedback of nearly 2500 with 99.5% positive. Meanwhile a buddy of mine has bought two radiators directly from Griffin since they are right down the road and both of them cracked open. Like it or not, there are some offshore manufacturers that offer a fair balance between quality and price.
I NOT like it.
Last year we talked about roll-around dollies that are used under the tires. The group was talking about a great price from an off shore manufacturer. There was also a similar product, but stronger for twice the money and USA made. That did it. Ordered them. They're still in a corner of the garage unassembled. Might need 'em someday but a US worker needs work now.

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That's part of the Champion gimmick. When ever one of their 15 or so Ebay IDs gets too much negative feedback, they create a new one and offer low-ball pricing to get the feedback pumped up. Then when that new one gets some negative feedback, they dump it and repeat the process again with a new ID.

I am new here and do not want to bash one of your vendors/supporters however, there is no "gimmick".

The vendors that sell product for Champion are free to sell at whatever price they would like to. There is no "low balling". As far as the 15 eBay user ID's, you must be mistaken. There are a handfull of us that sell on eBay and while some may run two stores, you're dreaming to think that eBay would allow us to have 15 different user ID's.

As far as the import/domestic issue, it comes down to personal choice. If you shop at Wal-mart, Sears, Kmart, Costco, Sams Club and then bash someone for buying an "gimmick import" radiator off eBay personally in my book, you're a hypocrite. Next time you're out shopping, check some of the labels and see where the item was made.

BTW, I happen to like Entropyrad's radiators and wish him and his company well.

Sincerly,

David

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post #15 of 18 (permalink) Old Mar 8th, 11, 06:52 PM
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Three row Champion radiator.....On Monday, I drove thirty minutes to the dyno shop and put my car straight on the dyno. The dyno is inside the shop and they did not run the fans that they have there. Never shut the car off during the session....started off running it up in neutral just to verify my timing, then did five runs to 6000+ RPM with a break in between each so I could check my data log and adjust fuel. The car temp never moved past 175. Not a bit. The radiator didn't blow up, I didn't get lead poisoning from it, and a bald eagle didn't drop dead on top of the car.

I would love to buy American for everything but right now I just can't afford it. Besides, if I wanted the car to be 100% US made it would only be about 50% of a car right now.

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TKO 600-Moser 3.42-Detroit Truetrac
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