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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old May 12th, 11, 06:50 PM Thread Starter
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Fan hits radiator

I have a 69 396 that we are putting together from a lot of parts removed by the former owner. We put on a new water pump (trw pump from ricks wk4). I'm using a 4 core 23" us radiator for an automatic trans. The fan hits the radiator. I'm wondering if we have done something wrong or if there is a special water pump that I should have used? Any suggestions? Thanks
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Scott,

Take a look here and see if you have the right stuff installed.

http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml

Always my first stop when looking up replacement parts.


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post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old May 12th, 11, 07:15 PM Thread Starter
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I definitely have the 1" spacer. The radiator has no end tags on it. It is a new one from ricks that is reported to be the oem size. The water pump is also new and is supposed to be the same as stock. The fan is the 4 blade one. If I would install the fan the other way it gets even closer to the front. The measured difference is about 3 3/4" from the fan to the rad support bracket which is about the same as the radiator.
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How many rows in the new radiator core? Does that match what CRG says your engine/options came with?


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post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old May 16th, 11, 05:28 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Fan hits radiator

The report said that the radiator with an ac optioned car had a 4 core unit which is what I have. I installed what I think are big block engine mounts but I am not certain. Could that be the probable problem? Would that have moved the the engine forward slightly?
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What's the measurement from the back side of each head to the firewall? I don't have a big block and don't know myself but someone else can probably post up numbers for comparison. As far as mounts, the correct big block stands only move the engine over to the side and don't affect front/rear as far as I know. It is possible to put 307/327 engine mounts (which are wider) on big block stands but they'd only let you move the engine less than a quarter inch or so plus they'd make the engine sit too low so the pan might hit the crossmember.

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Re: Fan hits radiator

Post some pics! There should be plenty of room between the radiator and the water pump. You must have the wrong engine stands/mounts ?? Just as a point of reference , I measure approximately 14 inches from the radiator support (drivers side) to the face of the head. I have an original X66 BB car.

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Fwiw I think I would use the long water pump,'772' fan, seven blade fan with a fan clutch, and not use the spacer
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Looks like about 12 1/2" on the driver side. Not sure why so much less
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Measurement from pass side from head to fire wall is about 3 3/4".
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Measurement from pass side from head to fire wall is about 3 3/4".

Sounds like wrong frame stands or bolted to the wrong spot.

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There are only three holes thAt lined up so not surenhow I would have bolted to the wrong holes. But the stands are possibly wrong. How can I check them. Is there a front and back to engine mounts is it possible to mount them backwards?
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All you ever wanted to know about stands and mounts:
http://www.pozziracing.com/camaro_engine.htm

They should hang off the back of the crossmember but I don't think it's possible to bolt them to the wrong sides although that would cause the engine to shift forward, plus with big block stands it would really sit crooked if it were possible.

If they are the correct big block stands, the carb stud should be sitting an inch or so shifted over to the passenger side, not centered with the bead on the cowl/header panels.

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Hang on, I'll go pull my engine. Be right back,,,,,,

Whew, hope these help. (original, never been touched)
Also on Davids web site, the BB engine mount is not the same as mine. And mine's original. Mine has a large engine-side stamping that encompasses the entire frame mount. A large bolt with a bushing passes through it. The bolt will hit the stamping if the rubber fails. Classic Camaro shows it on their web site. I'll try and find it.
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Measurement from pass side from head to fire wall is about 3 3/4".
Holy cow! There shouldn't be that much space there, although I don't know what the correct space is. Sounds like you've got the frame stands in the wrong spot.

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