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post #16 of 22 (permalink) Old May 4th, 19, 08:54 PM
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Re: Motor Oil

Diesel oils and racing oils do not have an additive package for street car use. Using these oils will ultimately be a poor decision in the long run. Additives are basically snake oil and actually disrupt (for lack of a better term) the additive formulation of the oil they are added to.

I use Z-rod 10w30 for my 2 flat tappet small blocks.
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post #17 of 22 (permalink) Old May 5th, 19, 06:09 AM
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Diesel oils and racing oils do not have an additive package for street car use. Using these oils will ultimately be a poor decision in the long run. Additives are basically snake oil and actually disrupt (for lack of a better term) the additive formulation of the oil they are added to.

I use Z-rod 10w30 for my 2 flat tappet small blocks.

You are correct for diesel oils, somewhat incorrect for "race" oils.


You need to read the product data sheets to understand what the oil is good for. Furthermore, just because it says "race or racing" in the name doesn't necessarily mean it is for racing only.

What makes your Lucas oil better than this Schaeffer "racing" oil? https://www.schaefferoil.com/documents/276-709-td.pdf

Or this Valvoline racing oil: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publi...2-ac162d889bd1
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post #18 of 22 (permalink) Old May 5th, 19, 08:32 AM
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Re: Motor Oil

Racing oils are designed for racing, all out hard use. They don't contain anything to control acids from stop start and low engine temps during general street use. They also get replaced every race. Plenty of people use them for street and with good results but, like Bruce stated in post 13 most people don't have the mileage on their engine really know if the oil they are using is best suited for their application, myself included.

One of my small blocks I've had for 30 years and have ran so many different oils in it over the years I don't know which was best because I rarely did oil analysis on it.

The other SB is new and wanted to stick with one oil so after lots of reading and asking questions, gathering opinions and comparing, I settled on Amsoil Z-rod full synthetic and I can only hope it performs as stated and give that engine a long service life.


I almost went for the Schaeffer posted above but, the Amsoil was more available to me.

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post #19 of 22 (permalink) Old May 5th, 19, 12:35 PM
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Racing oils are designed for racing, all out hard use. They don't contain anything to control acids from stop start and low engine temps during general street use. They also get replaced every race. Plenty of people use them for street and with good results but, like Bruce stated in post 13 most people don't have the mileage on their engine really know if the oil they are using is best suited for their application, myself included.

One of my small blocks I've had for 30 years and have ran so many different oils in it over the years I don't know which was best because I rarely did oil analysis on it.

The other SB is new and wanted to stick with one oil so after lots of reading and asking questions, gathering opinions and comparing, I settled on Amsoil Z-rod full synthetic and I can only hope it performs as stated and give that engine a long service life.


I almost went for the Schaeffer posted above but, the Amsoil was more available to me.
If you read the "racing oil" data sheets, they tell you they are also for street use. Again, the word "racing" in the name is just a word...not saying it is for racing only or even racing in general. The term "racing" is a sales gimmick.

Here is an example: Isky cams. Google Isky and what comes up: "Isky Racing Cams" as the website name to the corporate website. Does that mean every cam they make is racing because it says racing? Of course not. Same with "racing" oils. It might be in the name, but that is it.

You mention additive packages for neutralizing acid (TBN or Total Base Number) with the higher the number being better: one "race" oil Schaeffer is 10.0, your amsoil is 9.1, Valvoline VR1 racing is 8.5, and Lucas Hot Rod is 9.2. Now a true "race oil" such as Valvoline Pro-V oil 10w40 has a TBN of >2.5. That is your "race oil" The aforementioned numbers are gotten right off each companies data sheet for that particular oil. Read each of the data sheets and they will all tell you they are safe for street and storage usage, same as the amsoil (which has been pushing that acid and storage line for 25 years).

Please don't get hung up on not using a product that might say "racing" in its name. And good luck with your amsoil.
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Valvoline VR-1 racing oil, silver bottle, (not black) for flat tappet, no catalytic converter. High in the PPM's zinc and phosphorus. High film strength. No additives, as it has its own and it changes the make up of the product. Deals on Amazon for 6 qt boxes.
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Racing oils are designed for racing, all out hard use. They don't contain anything to control acids from stop start and low engine temps during general street use. They also get replaced every race. Plenty of people use them for street and with good results but, like Bruce stated in post 13 most people don't have the mileage on their engine really know if the oil they are using is best suited for their application, myself included.

One of my small blocks I've had for 30 years and have ran so many different oils in it over the years I don't know which was best because I rarely did oil analysis on it.

The other SB is new and wanted to stick with one oil so after lots of reading and asking questions, gathering opinions and comparing, I settled on Amsoil Z-rod full synthetic and I can only hope it performs as stated and give that engine a long service life.


I almost went for the Schaeffer posted above but, the Amsoil was more available to me.
Valvoline VR-1 racing oil in Silverbottle is not the same as the real hard core race oil in the black bottle and can be used as a daily driver . The black bottle Valvoline racing oil, as you pointed to, must be changed after a day of racing.
That's what I read awhile back, years back in fact.
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racing oils are designed for racing, all out hard use. They don't contain anything to control acids from stop start and low engine temps during general street use. They also get replaced every race. Plenty of people use them for street and with good results but, like bruce stated in post 13 most people don't have the mileage on their engine really know if the oil they are using is best suited for their application, myself included.

One of my small blocks i've had for 30 years and have ran so many different oils in it over the years i don't know which was best because i rarely did oil analysis on it.

The other sb is new and wanted to stick with one oil so after lots of reading and asking questions, gathering opinions and comparing, i settled on amsoil z-rod full synthetic and i can only hope it performs as stated and give that engine a long service life.


I almost went for the schaeffer posted above but, the amsoil was more available to me.
valvoline vr-1 racing oil in silverbottle is not the same as the real hard core race oil in the black bottle and can be used as a daily driver . The black bottle valvoline racing oil, as you pointed to, must be changed after a day of racing.
That's what i read awhile back, years back in fact.
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