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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old May 10th, 13, 01:34 PM Thread Starter
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Are "tributes" replicas? Advice for 1st gen convertible shopper?

Howdy everybody! I just joined your site as an ex-Camaro owner and hopefully future Camaro owner!

My first car was a 1967 Camaro about 30 years ago. Ever since, I have dreamed of having a first gen SS/RS convertible...ideally with factory air since I live in Phoenix. (Like I said, it is a dream like wanting to be naked in a hot tub with Halle Berry, so I'm willing to compromise). I've been working on my wife for several years on this and I'm finally at the point where I might be able to pull this off...buying a Camaro that is, not the Halle hot tub thing!

I'll be searching around camaros.net a lot over the next several weeks for advice, so I hope this isn't too much of a duplicate question, but I would love any advice that you all have about searching for a car like this. One thing I have noticed while looking for cars is some are "tributes". What exactly does that mean? I've also seen "replica", which makes me think of "kit" cars or something like that. I really want a real Camaro (no offense to any replica owners) but I wasn't sure if "tribute" was another way of saying replica.

I'm the type of person that will keep this car for the rest of my life so I want to make sure I take the time to get something really nice so any advice from experts would be greatly appreciated!

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Usually people use these terms instead of CLONE, which is basically taking a Base Camaro and adding RS or SS options to them. Many people claim tribute or replica to confuse people and not say CLONE. Nonetheless, I look for a clean rust free car as its only original sheet metal once.

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From the 'hip' and persective from outside the US
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"tributes". What exactly does that mean?
A tribute is no more than a populist marketing/ propaganda tag....very much an American thing...
To non Americans, generally a "tribute " is something made or given for free for a special occasion.....or tradtionally in effect a tax (to say, the new conqueror)

At the end of the day, in the modern marketing / propaganda world most 'tributes' be a car bike, whatever is just a very well built (and that can be desputed big time) replica or custom vechilce.

In many cases, too many , it is no more than a marketing ploy to cash in on a patriotic sympathy, and doing so makes it difficult to call a spade a spade without flak.

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Welcome here. My hot tub, diffrent person, Still your here, 68's are better,
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Re: Are "tributes" replicas? Advice for 1st gen convertible shopper?

Thanks for the replies! I think I would be OK with a tribute or clone as I'm not a total purist. Actually I don't think I would want one that is 100% original, matching #s etc. because then it wouldn't feel right to modify and improve. IMHO putting spinner wheels and neon lights on a classic is sacrilege so I would never go there, but I would plan to add improved audio, and do performance work to the drive line.

With the magic that car guys can do these days I just don't want something that was born a '73 Pinto then converted into a '69 Camaro. I could live with knowing it was born a base Camaro and evolved into an RS.
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Welcome here. My hot tub, diffrent person, Still your here, 68's are better,
I think John has been sitting in his hot tub too long and stewed his brain. A '67 is definitely the way to go!

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I could live with knowing it was born a base Camaro and evolved into an RS.
I went this route. Bought what was born a plain V8 car (a PO had already added the RS lights) and am making it mine with guilt free modifications. Good luck and read/research the archives here for tips.

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First, welcome to the board.

I am like you. I had a 67 RS when I was 16 years old in HS. Now I just turned 50 and just finished my build on a 69. Mine is a base model and is a Z28 Clone Pro Touring style.

For me, I did not care about originality. I wanted to build my dream car before I turned 50 and acomplished that goal. I love my car. That is is the most important thing, not weather it is a clone or not.
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From the 'hip' and persective from outside the US

A tribute is no more than a populist marketing/ propaganda tag....very much an American thing...
To non Americans, generally a "tribute " is something made or given for free for a special occasion.....or tradtionally in effect a tax (to say, the new conqueror)

At the end of the day, in the modern marketing / propaganda world most 'tributes' be a car bike, whatever is just a very well built (and that can be desputed big time) replica or custom vechilce.

In many cases, too many , it is no more than a marketing ploy to cash in on a patriotic sympathy, and doing so makes it difficult to call a spade a spade without flak.
Blah, blah, blah.

I call mine an imposter. That way the purists don't get their panties in a bunch.

Aside from the $$$ value of a true RS/SS, I'd rather have a car that I can build and drive the way I want.


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Blah Blah Blah whatever lol
We have brought a boat , getting into fishing, had the camaro 34 years.. matching numbers, orginal stuff still stored....
I did not know it was matching numbers when I brought it... wasnt important back then.
So looking back in retrospect.....
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Actually I don't think I would want one that is 100% original, matching #s etc. because then it wouldn't feel right to modify and improve. IMHO putting spinner wheels and neon lights on a classic is sacrilege so I would never go there, but I would plan to add improved audio, and do performance work to the drive line.
Hit a cord
in retrospect, as a guy who enjoys driving the car everyday, it wasnt a matching numbers. things can be put back to orginal....but its been a bit limiting in what I would have like to really do.

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Re: Are "tributes" replicas? Advice for 1st gen convertible shopper?

All the terms is just another way to make a Camaro sound like it is more than it was or is. In many ways just buy a good car and modify it the way you want as all the parts are available. Start with a solid car and fit it to your budget and do as much of the work yourself, which I find is the most fun. I am restoring my 35th Camaro and building it for sale and then I will do another. My keeper fleet has 4 69's the most sought after year and the one that seems to show up in so many commercials and brings the big bucks at the auctions, but all first gen cars are nice.
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As with everything - its your personal choice and your wallet Todd.

Like pets - If you want a loyal companion then in MHO strays and muts are the best to pick.

So if you want a fun car to drive around and don't care about the paperwork and matching numbers nothing wrong with a tribute as long as you respect that it is a creation.

But If you want high priced pedigree, more then likely that you won't want to drive around much, but maybe trailer to everyplace and then have to watch like a hawk for fingerprints and belt buckles up against your paint - find the right collector ride for you.

It is possible to have both a fun daily driver that is numbers matching Bona-fide but getting rarer all the time. And a base can always be re-crafted into the project of your dreams, with or without built in hot tub.


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Heck if you have a Cam vert, enjoy it for what it is...not what it is supposed to be.

As you've indicated in your post, having an orig product is not an issue, and the depth of your pockets won't have to be as deep.

Good luck on your quest. Also, check for a PM, eh?

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clone, tribute, fake, replica, what ever the word that is used, all mean the same thing. it means the seller is being honest about what he is selling, and not claiming it to be real when it isn't. fraud is the word for that!

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Welcome to Team Camaro!

I bought my 67 back in 87 with no engine or tranny (it was a 327/210 w/PG) and did what any red blooded American would do: Dropped a Rat motor in it!

And a "tribute" is a car that has been recreated to represent something that it didn't start out as but has been done as closely as possible to represent the original, i.e.. a COPO or Z28 race car (road or 1/4 mile). These are generally stated as such so there is no doubt as to what it is.

A "clone" OTOH, is basically the same idea but (knowingly or otherwise) but has been presented as the real thing. Or not. Some folks play fast and loose with terminology.

But, in the words of my favorite satirist, "That's just my opinion. I could be wrong."

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I always felt that "tribute" meant that you were trying to pay homage to a particular vehicle.... for instance I have 1969 Yenko "tribute". I am not trying to deceive anyone, I just like the real ones and dont have 250,000 dollars for one. Basically I took most of the cues and styling from a real one and added my own personal touches. ie: different rims or a center console etc. If someone clones or replicates a vehicle I believe they are trying to make it exactly like it came from the factory or dealership. Inevitably someone will always disagree with me but you asked for an opinion so this is just my two cents. Enjoy your car no matter what it is and never misrepresent it as real if its not.
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