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Hi guys, I need your help. This is what has been done to my 67 RS for the past month:
- Savistke uppers with tall ball joints
- Ebay specials lower control arms
- New front shocks
- Moog 6308 springs
- 3rd gen steering gear box
- New tire rods etc.
- disc brakes in the front
- the springs were installed within 1/8" distance from alignment top hole.

The spindles came with the kit and are supposed to be stock height. I compared them to my drum spindles and they are identical.

The tire to fender distance is now: 2 fingers on the RH and barely 0.75 on the LH side.

If you look at the attached pictures, the lower control arms are almost at the same level as my Hooker headers! :(

Did I mess it up by putting Savistke control arms with the ebay lowers? Should I put my stock lower control arms back? Or did I do something stupid like installing the lower control arms on the wrong side?

The car never sat that low. A good bounce on the LH side will rub the tire against the fender.

The lower control arms are not yet torqued to 75 ft lbs. I wanted to lower the car off the jack stands to do it.

Any advice will be appreciated.

The reason I went with cheap lower control arms was their cost (almost the same as rebuilding my old stock ones with new bushings, powder coating etc.)

Thanks in advance,
Denis
 

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The original springs were replaced with the Moogs. Height wise they were close in size to the new ones. The car was sitting somewhat low, but not like now (it used to be about 3 fingers between the fender and the tire).

David, thanks for the response. Should I try getting stiffer springs with the stock lowers? I like the built quality of the ebay specials and would prefer leaving them on the car.

Would stiffer/longer springs fix the ride height?
And is this normal for the lower control arms to sit so low to the ground like headers?
 

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That does look close I have stock suspension and I have the same problem(actually mine looks closer) except my passenger side rubs over dips lol. You may want to get the alignment done before you start throwing parts at it. If the toe is off the top of the tire will be out further then it is supposed to be. Just a thought anyway.
 

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Mike,
Thanks for the advice - the alignment was on my list until I saw my lower control arms sitting so low to the ground :)

Do your cotrol arms have the same stance? I don't mind the RH side, I am wondering if I should use a .5 or 1 inch spring spacer on the LH side?
 

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I would put the stock lower a-arms back on. In the picture the bottom of those lower control arms is only about 1" from the bottom of the tire, which would be the ground when off those wooden ramps. You say the spindles were the same length but is the wheel shaft the same distance up from the lower ball joint ? It looks like either your spindles are lowering spindles or the lower arms are wrong.
 

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Tom, I am going to take another measurement of the spindle. They did look identical to my old drum ones. I will check them again. Thanks.
 

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Do you guys have pictures of your front setup showing the tubular lower control arms? Can you post it here in this thread or a link? I'd appreciate it.

I've contacted the seller to see if mine are for the correct model.
 

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Nobody addressed the fact that if all the same parts are installed on left and right sides why does it sit uneven.. Especially if all the parts are new i would say you have something very wrong.. I also think the lower control arms are way to low to the ground... Are the springs installed correctly???
 

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Do your LCA's have a lowered spring pocket? Go back to the Ebay listing (or find one from the same seller) and check. The side to side difference isn't a big deal (to me at least), but the car is way too low.
 

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Mike,
Here is the link to my original ebay item:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220894235586&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:1123

It is hard to tell but the spring pocket is almost at the same level as tubular frame. Hopefully, the picture I attached shows that.

Does this mean my LCAs came with the lowered pocket? If the seller responds to my emails, I will ask him.

I did make sure to seat the springs at top within 1/8" to the alignment hole on top. Here is another weird things about these Moog 6308 springs:
- when positioned on the floor, I couldn't determine which side was flat to install it on top. Both ends of the springs while on a flat surface, leaned like crazy to the side. Wrong springs? They didn't have any manufacturers' stamped IDs either.

Thanks!
 

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The spindles look OK to me. That lower arm looks bad. Take a look at my SPC's (which do have a 1" lower pocket). The bend in my arm is right under the sway bar bushing. Yours is further in towards the mounting point and the angle looks less obtuse than it should be. Is your upper arm sitting on the frame right now with weight on it?

Then again it may be the springs. I've got Eibach 1" lower sport coils and still seem to have more showing than you. I know the 6308's will drop the front though compared to stock.






 

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Steiner, thanks for posting the pictures - yes, it is clear to me that there is something wrong about my LCAs. I will have to check my upper control arms position tonight after work.

Before installation I tried flipping the LH/RH arms to see if it makes any difference. The way they are installed now provide for the best vertical spring alignment to the top spring perch.
 

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Mike,
Here is the link to my original ebay item:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220894235586&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:1123

It is hard to tell but the spring pocket is almost at the same level as tubular frame. Hopefully, the picture I attached shows that.

Does this mean my LCAs came with the lowered pocket? If the seller responds to my emails, I will ask him.

I did make sure to seat the springs at top within 1/8" to the alignment hole on top. Here is another weird things about these Moog 6308 springs:
- when positioned on the floor, I couldn't determine which side was flat to install it on top. Both ends of the springs while on a flat surface, leaned like crazy to the side. Wrong springs? They didn't have any manufacturers' stamped IDs either.

Thanks!
I took another look at your picture (actually as enlarged by Steiner). It's hard to tell but it looks like the bottom of the spring pocket is dropped. SPC sells spacers that will restore your ride height.
 

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Steiner, thanks for posting the pictures - yes, it is clear to me that there is something wrong about my LCAs. I will have to check my upper control arms position tonight after work.

Before installation I tried flipping the LH/RH arms to see if it makes any difference. The way they are installed now provide for the best vertical spring alignment to the top spring perch.

You bet. If you sit beside the car and look straight in at the balljoint and frame from the wheelhousing, the ball joint should be rearward so it is closer to the rear mounting point.
 

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Mike, I have been researching the spacers on this forum and quite a few people suggested SPC and AFCO adjustable ones. This one was mentioned:
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/AFCO-Adjustable-Coil-Spring-Spacer,23948.html

I am still baffled by how low that LCA arch is to the ground. Steiner's car, for example, has an extra 3-5 in of clearance.
I love the AFCO spring adjusters, because you can very precisely set the ride height you want without cutting or changing springs. You can also raise the front, if you've dropped it too far - try doing that with a cut spring. Just remember you need to use the 9.5" long springs with the spring adjusters.

If your springs had the correct effective height (i.e., there was no drop built into the LCAs) the spindle end of the LCA would be much more nearly parallel to the ground than it is now.
 

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You bet. If you sit beside the car and look straight in at the balljoint and frame from the wheelhousing, the ball joint should be rearward so it is closer to the rear mounting point.
Steiner, I will have to double check it. Thanks, I will post some pictures. maybe I installed them wrong.

Mike, after reading David's web page, I found a statement regarding the positioning of the lower ball joint to the LCA mounting bolt. The ball joint's desirable position should be 0.5" below the hole. Mine is way above it.

What is considered to be a dropped pocket LCA? How many inches should I measure?

Re: my 6308 Moog springs - do they come with a flat end, because mine would stand at an angle?

Sorry about so many questions, after redoing my 76's 280z suspension, Camaro is giving me fits.

Thanks again,
Denis
 

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Steiner, I will have to double check it. Thanks, I will post some pictures. maybe I installed them wrong.

Mike, after reading David's web page, I found a statement regarding the positioning of the lower ball joint to the LCA mounting bolt. The ball joint's desirable position should be 0.5" below the hole. Mine is way above it.

What is considered to be a dropped pocket LCA? How many inches should I measure?

Re: my 6308 Moog springs - do they come with a flat end, because mine would stand at an angle?

Sorry about so many questions, after redoing my 76's 280z suspension, Camaro is giving me fits.

Thanks again,
Denis
I can't answer your question on how to measure for a dropped pocket, because it's also going to depend on the shape of the arm. If you have your old LCAs, I'd compare the bottom of the spring pocket relative to the mounting point on the OEM arm, to the bottom of the spring pocket relative to the mounting point on the EBay arm.

I don't think there's anything too dramatic going on, other than needing more spring length.
 

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You bet. If you sit beside the car and look straight in at the balljoint and frame from the wheelhousing, the ball joint should be rearward so it is closer to the rear mounting point.
Ok, the lower arm ball joint is in the most rearward position. It looks like my lower control arms are installed properly.

The Savinske arms do get lifted up when the car is on its front tires.

I also measured how deep the spring pockets are in the stock vs. the OEM - the same 2 inches (about 50 mm).

The spindles measure the same 1" from the bottom ball joint pedestal to the center and 4.5" to the top.

Does this sound right - the top spring alignment hole on the LH side is closer to the front, on the RH side - to the rear of the vehicle?

I guess, Mike is right and I am blowing it out of proportion. I will order the AFCO adjustable spring spacer and add an additional 1" or 1.5" height on the LH side.

The vendor contacted me and will verify with his manufacturer if these control arms are indeed for the 1st gen Camaro.

How does the spacer address the uneven mounting top position? Wouldn't the bump there to seat the spring, make the spacer misaligned?

Thank you guys!
 
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