Thanks, the numbers you gave me were all good, the 71750 is carmine red and the 71751 is cardinal red and are both still available in PPG lacquer if you can find some one that still sells lacquer. I had PPG come up with DBC formuals for both colors and I will be doing spray out's to see if they match. The 71643 is rosewood met which is a good number to but had fine metallic in it and is still available too. I also had PPG come up with a code in DBC too. I'll let you know how the spray out go that way if some else is look for help with these colors you can pass this info along to others. Thanks Jay