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I would like to find out how many people would be interested in upper tubular control arms for first gen camaro's that have additional caster built in, powder coated colour of your choice (five to choose from), stainless steel cross shafts, delrin bushings, urethane bump stop and moog ball joint for $550.00 Canadian which converts to $400.00 US.

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Dont know, gotta see them first.

But I am sure if of a sound design and workmanship, they will sell faster than you could probably produce them.
 

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Well thanks chicane67. I have just received five sets of arms and I'm waiting for them to come back from the powder coaters and then they will be ready for assembly. It took awhile to come up with shafts that I like. I drove the machinest nuts. He CNC'd 5 protoypes for me.

I'm hoping to have them ready by the end of next week.
 

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Get close up, high resolution pictures of a set of arms before they get power coated. You are going to need these to be able to sell them to the more peticular customers.

And to cover your *** and his, you should make up a disclaimer and include a product information sheet to ship with your product.
 

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Thanks Chicane67. I have taken photo's of each part prior to assembly but not raw. What would be the reason for high res photo's prior to powder coating. I personally don't mind I'm just curious. As for your other comments, I have liability insurance and have included a disclaimer and detailed instructions of how to install them. I'm in the process of creaing my own web site which will show the arms and all parts individually.

Thanks again!
 

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Mountie,
I have a few questions. How much caster is baked in, and is it adjustable (besides with normal shims)? Is the overall length from bushinh centerline to ball joint the same?

Ken
 

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What is the material used in the arm tubing Mountie?
 

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Two sets of arms were made using two types of tubing.

#1 Chrome moly tubing

#2 DOM drawn over mandrel 1.25 OD
 

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It would be a good idea to provide these photos on a web page or to post them here on TC. It will satisfy the curiosity of those more experienced with fabrication/racing this chassis and it can/would be a great advertisment for your product. It really has to do with workmanship issues. Not that I dont trust you, the design or the gentleman performing the actual welding or assembly, but I have seen it all concerning every other attempt made so far (Fatman, Hotchkis, Guldstrand and many more) and need to screwtinize a given product until I am satisified with what I see or experience. I will state this because most will not.

There is a good reason why there are only two control arms for the 1st Gen that are actually being used.

And you have definately peaked our collective interest, thats for sure. I'd be interested in a DOM set.......
 

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Well chicane67 here is a link to a single page to view the arms as they are. They do not have the bushings or shafts in yet. I will have that done at the end of the week. Also as the page indicates the plates will be laser cut.

http://members.shaw.ca/toddbalaban/
 

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Well chicane67 I have five completed sets out of the DOM 1.25 OD as it is thicker wall and I feel it is a stronger arm. The only down side I see from this is that these arms are only 3 ounces lighter that the stock so it is not to much of a weight savings but it is very strong. It will look a lot better with the Stainless steel cross shafts and the alum bushings that are lined with delrin.

In case you don't know Delrin is a very hard type of like plastic product but is self lubricating. Delrin or Filled Acetals have better wear (up to 5X's better,) have increased self-lubrication, and have lower coefficient of friction

I should also mention that the bushings are greasable with zerk fittings.

Take it easy!
 

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Weight is not an issue. Strength and geometry are.....

Can or will you TIG weld a set made of DOM? I would be very interested in a set of this nature. I would also perfer them to be bare and un-painted/un-coated if that wouldnt be a problem.

Yes, I am very familiar with Delrin and its derivitives. Is the bushing encapsulated on the ends? Have you run into any coldflux problems with the Delrin material if they are not encapsulated? How much roadtime do you have on any given set of these?
 

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Chicane67 you have a lot of detailed questions which I would be happy to answer for you but why don't you Email me at [email protected].

But to answer your immeadiate questions. I have Delrin washers on either end then grade eight thrust washers finaly stover nuts to tie it all together. We have ran the bearing continuosly for several hundred hours with no signs of wear.

I again will be willing to provide more detail when my site is up or again you can Email me.

Finally I would be happy to provide you the arms un-coated but bead blasted, however as it is metal I could not be responsable for any surface rust during shipping so if that is not an issue that would be fine.

Thanks for all your questions!

 

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mountie, i am interested in a set of upper control arms, i am not sure which i would want though!!! anyway what colors are you going to offer them in?? also is that 400 including shipping, and if not what do you expect the shipping to be, thanks
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Me too Mountie. As a fabrication idiot I'll look forward to some feedback.
 

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well guys the $550.00 US converted to about $400.00 Canadian does not include shipping but I have talked to UPS and will be setting up an account. I was provided a price to any of the 48 Stated for $25.00 dollars Canadian.

When I have my site completed it will provide a lot more information.

So hang on guys and thanks it was a rather big investment for me to do this but my two main goals were quality of the product but yet keep the cost down.

I'm hoping to have 7 products initially when I start my site.

One more product I don't mind telling is I'm waiting for two sets of inter locking Billet Alum body bushings made from T6061 T6 that will come supplied with all grade 8 bolts and washers and the bushings will be available in either Black, Blue, Sliver or gold anodizing for a very reasonable price.

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Sorry BBCamaro I failed to answer you question on colour.

The way it will work is black will be kept in stock for immediate shipping but the other colours will be between one to two weeks delay and the colours we will offer are as follows;

Black, blue, red and yellow. We can do others but what I have done is provided paint samples of the facotry colours to try and have closely matched in powder coat. But don't be miss understood it will not be exactly the same just close.

I hope this clarifies things.

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Mountie,
I looked on your page and the photos took a very, very long time to download. I'm on a dialup modem, but still took longer than any page I have opened in quite a while. It was something like 5 to 10 minutes! I went for a snack break, came back, and it was still loading...

My suggestion is, please divide up the photos on separate pages and put just a menu on the main page with limited graphics.

That will allow loading the main page quickly, and the desired photos can be viewed by clicking on separate pages.

If you put your description text at the top of the separate pages, the text can be read while the photos are loading. It will make the wait seem smaller. Just don't put a lot of large photos on one page.
David
 

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Thanks David, that was something I did quickly and I'm in the process of doing a proper Web site. But I will change it soon.

Thanks!
 
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