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hi guys,
This is my first post on this site.
My name is Victor, I live on a tiny island in the caribbean called Curacao

This morning I opened up the newspaper and in the ads section i saw this "Camaro 1971 for sale,give us a call"
It has been a long time since I've been wanting a classic muscle car (i call these cars classics)

So i called up and asked how the condition was etc etc, the man told me he has the car for 14 years,bought it when he was 16,now he's 30, and he's not into these cars anymore so instead of leaving it to rust,he is selling it.

Going on, he told me that the car has a few rusts,but not like a whole lot,paint is old but still ok (except rusts that is)...and the rest is alright but ofcourse will need some touch up.

It's problem is the engine, this car will need a new engine...
I'm not a fanatic, so i don't know much about cars.. all i know is the car is beautifull, its a piece of history, I've always wanted one, and it will be a perfect drive on sundays to the beach (yes i live on an island in the caribbean,remember?)
So i'm not planning in racing or anything.. I just want the nice engine with the nice ship type sound and the beautifull car.

What can you guys advise me, where should i look at?

If you guys think i'm annoying you, it's ok disregard this post.

Thanks in advance.
Victor:beers:
 

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Victor, I know all about Island life, I very recently moved to Georgia, but I have lived most of my life on St. Thomas in the US Virgin Islands. Anyway, my first question would be, Are you sure that the engine needs to be replaced or can it be rebuilt? This would go along with my second question, which is Do you know if it is the original engine? If you don't, you can find the information you need by getting the serial number off of the motor and matching it to the car. The reason I ask these questions is because if it is the original motor, rebuilding it would be more beneficial to you because the car would be more valuable by having the original engine in it. If it is not the original engine, or if it truly is not re-buildable, there are many, many places that you can purchase a motor from. So, check it out and come back and let us know what you want to do. We can give you plenty of help.

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hey Mike, thanks for the quick reply, well i called the owner up he told me it was the original 305 engine.. but i see most people talk about 350 on here?
this camaro isnt ss nor rs nor z28 or whatsoever, its just a camaro v8 ..
the way the owner talked to me he stated that i should consider a new engine,i asked him if it was totally not possible to fix the current one, he said that the money you're going to invest in fixing it, you would probably want to go and buy a new one.
what you said is something to consider though... rebuilding makes it more valuable.

its 2:20 pm now, i am supposed to call him around 6..when he's home from work..i'm done with work at like 5 .. i will go by and take some pictures. and thing about it,ask more detailed questions. I like the 1971 though cause of the tail lights..
I would even prefer a 1965-1969 one or so.. but 1971 is fair enough..

i want to go to the worse case scenario..lets say the engine is a total waste.
how much would a good perfect working engine cost me for this car? any thoughts?
any place for me to look at?
 

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Just my 2 cents but I think the 305 engine started production around 1976, so a 305 would not be original. A 327 or 350 yes and maybe even a 307. Although I think the 307 was installed in the Chevelle and not the Camaro. If this motor is truly a 305 then it's not the original motor. Check the serial pad of the engine, front of engine on right side (passenger) where the head meets the block. Since this number is stamped into the cast of the block it may be difficult to read. Write it down and compare to an engine decode site like http://www.chevy-camaro.com/chevy-camaro-engine-suffix-code-help.asp
You will also want the VIN from the dash. I agree with vict0r, if the engine is numbers matching you will want to keep the engine for rebuilding since this will retain more value in the car.

There are a couple of thing you will want to think about. What do you want to do with the car? e.g. I want an original 100 point show car, or I want a nice classic style car to drive all the time, or I want to create a Pro-Touring car (modern creature comforts with classic style). This can help determine how much you want or have to spend. Each have their own needs like the original 100 point show car, you will need the original engine running. A daily driver needs a good running engine but doesn't need to be the original V8 nor even a V8, it could be a turbo V6. To create a Pro-Touring car you may want to install an LS1 aluminum fuel injected engine and get radical with suspension and brakes.

Basic GM crate motor and reinstall all of your original accessories, installed by yourself you are looking around $2000 (~300hp). The GM crate motor with fuel injection and new accessories is $5100 (~375hp). But fuel injection means changing out the fuel system in the car too and adding the proper baffleing in the fuel tank so the fuel pump doesn't pull air and burn up.

Hope this helps.
 

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Curacao. Is that the Curacao just to the lee of Tobago Keys? Haven't been in that neck of the Caribbean for 9 years. I hear your island is now covered with development. That also means that you must never take this car to the windward side. Saltwater blowing from the breakers is not good. Did I get the location of your home correct? Oh hell, where's my charts?
Edit; Na, I'm thinking of Canouan. But are you on (our spelling) Carriacou? Love Sandy Isl.
 

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well I'm not planning in showing , nor am I planning in pro-touring, nothing..
ill check out the engine thing.

I just want a nice camaro V8 to drive in the weekends and chill in it..


for example... would this do good if the engine is a total wreck?

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=23659&cat=12
He says he's selling it as a core. That means he doesn't claim it to run or anything and it needs rebuilt. Shipping would kill you on that one, then it needs rebuilt. And he kinda said he really doesn't want to ship.

A new GM crate motor is how I would go if I was you. Where's your closest Chevy dealership?

You might also consider a new fuel tank and line.
 

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Gotcha! LOL too! No wonder the wind doesn't blow hard there. You're below the hurricane belt. But it sure as hell blows saltwater on shore up at Canouan. You should see it at Xmas time!
I used Trinidad for our 'base' for more than 5 years with our sailboat Epitome'. Never made it your way. And good English Victor. Are you Dutch?
 

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I agree with Tim, a GM crate motor is going to be your best bet. It's better to spend your money right the first time and have years of fun with the car, especially all the way down there. Do you know what kind of shape the transmission is in? Is it an automatic or a 4-speed? You may want to think about the transmission also. Why don't you take a few pictures of the car (including the trim tag) and post them so we can see what you are looking at.

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I'm 100% Portuguese, from both sides, was born here on the island so I have the dutch passport and am a dutch citizen... have lived in holland for the past 2 years, but am back home..

All I want is a nice classy car to drive around in the weekends, it needs to be V8 ..I will never buy one of these in V6, that just my opinion.

Later on I will go and check it out. I been at work, surfing the web and working. it's almost time to go, like 30 more mins...and then i will go.. i took my camara with me, so i'll take some pictures and post them..
 

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Mike, hehe we were posting at the same time..

I will go today and take some pictures... i tis automatic, thats for sure...


btw, whats a crate motor ?
 

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A crate motor refers to a complete motor that comes ready to install. It is very popular because you can literally just bolt it in the car. There are many popular crate motors that are built by GM. Here is a link to a possible answer to your situation. http://www.gmhorsepower.com/350_HO_Deluxe.html

There are many other places that you can get a crate motor from, just remember that you get what you pay for. So, don't jump on the cheapest one you find, because there's a good chance that you will be getting cheap parts or poor machine work that will not last. Check out the internet and see what you think you would like and then come back and post the info. There are alot of great people on this site and they can help you to choose what is right for you. It is very important to match the motor to your driving application. In this case, based on what you have said, I think you should go for driveability and reliability. A 350 would be a great choice. Post the pics of the car too, we may see something that you don't.

Oh, by the way, both of my parents are Dutch. They left Holland right after they got married in 1957. I have ALOT of family in Holland. My last name is Veraart. My mother's maiden name is Kramer.

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oh ok,thank you so much

as i posted before, i was supposed to go check the car out today, but it didn't happen.
I left work all excited,went to pick up the gf so we could go,when i called the guy up he told me that he wasn't home yet, if i could come later..but i couldn't .. so what I did was made an appoint for tomorrow at 6.

So ill take pics tomorrow... interior pics,exterior pics,engine bay pics, etc etc.

I hope it works out great.

about the crate motor... are these like cheap build engines? I mean like I don't want a nicely re-build car to have a cheap engine. For instance,the one you posted Mike, is that a GOOD one? Besides,we're talking worse case scenarios here, I didn't even see the car yet ... maybe it's engine is just fine and will need maybe some overhauling or so... but in worse case scenario.. is the engine you posted like really good?

Thanks so far for everything...
 

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If you are in for a full discovery of the car, go to nastyz28.com and look up facts. Massive amount of info for 2nd gen cars, which you have.
 

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First, welcome to Team Camaro Victor!

Second, wow it looks like there aren't many car dealers in Curacao (other TC member can check out the list on page 14 of this doc http://www.isc.an/images/other/Cars.pdf ). I don't see a Chevy dealer, and I cannot imagine what a crate motor would cost to ship there.

Here's the direct link to the site Shawn mentioned, where you can read up on the early 2nd gen Camaros: http://www.nastyz28.com/index.php?page=camarofacts

And here is for 1971 models: http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro71.php

Best case scenario is that it is the original engine, and it is a 307 or a 350. I guess I can see someone confusing a 307 and the later 305. On the last page I linked, there is a section called "Engine Suffix Codes". You will find this as part of the assembly stamp on the pad in front of the passenger side cylinder head, under the alternator. If you have some kind of thin wire brush with a long handle and some cleaner (like Simple Green, 409, etc.) and a flashlight, you'll be able to clean off and read the numbers much better.

Once you know what it has in it, and know why the owner says it needs a new engine (doesn't run, blown up, smoking badly, knocking badly, etc), we can help you figure out if it can be saved or not.
 

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thanks so much Eric ...
I will check tomorrow when i go check out the car.

btw, what you posted from isc.an is just some paper a kid made at school..

we have Chevy Dealer,they sell chevy's ,cady's, gmc's, hummers etc. etc...,toyota dealer,mitsubishi dealer,suzuki dealer, volvo dealer , nissan dealer , ford dealer, honda dealer , jaguar dealer,mercedes dealer, volkswagen dealer, seat dealer, alpha romeo dealer , bmw dealer and so on..we have ALL the dealers
and besides, importing an engine wont be thaaaat expensive because it will come by ship. and with ship it won't matter how heavy it is, it will matter how much space it will take. and then import taxes etc etc ... so if the 350 crate engine mike posted is alright for a 1971 camaro that wont be racing, nor pro-touring . if the price is $3,500 .. maybe i wont have to pay a whole lot more on it...
but we'll see, i will take pictures tomorrow when i go check out the car...

thank you so much guys, i feel at home here, everyone is like really into it etc. etc. I like the feeling...
 

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Hello folks, I went to take a look at the car today... the engine is a total waste,so if i go with this one..one of those crate engines or atleast another engine is the solution..all in all the car is ok (to my eyes) .. it hasn't been driven for 2 years.. it has some rust spots (like 3) one on the left fender,one on the right back and like on the window corner..for the rest the owner says that the chasis is rust free..the car is kind of in a good condition (especially for a 38 yr old car)... the lowest he will go ( in US $$) is $ 2.747
I don't know if this is a good deal or not..having in mind that a new engine is needed,some rust has to be taken care of and a new paint job (ofcourse the interior needs some work also)

anyways, let me know what you think about the car and the price..





 

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well it's hard to say for sure with the pictures but these cars are increasing in value at the moment... to me the price seems reasonable for a shell with a crap engine and probably a transmission that needs work..personally I would probably pick it up.. the price is reasonable .. but i would definately remove the tranny as well as the engine .. send the tranny out to a transmission shop(assuming of course that you have a shop that works on these old transmissions)... how much money are you trying to spend to make this car road worthy? because the brakes are probably no good after sitting for so long ..even if they are good you will need to have them looked at(or check them yourself if you are mechanically inclined) and the brake fluid replaced (at the very least). I think if your are willing to spend a minimum of 7500 dollars (USD) you could probably get this car road worthy ..at least mechanically sound as for the body you and worry about the rust later if your plan is to just get in motivated..but i would get under the car check for rust in the sub frame and in the floor as these things would require immediate repair.
 
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