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Now that carshow season is over,I wanted to ask about possible show tips or secrets that you've used to put your car over the top this season.I myself had my best car show season this year,and I'm glad to say that I beat my show nemesis,a 69 mustang,2 out of 3 times!I go to shows with my wife who has her list of things to do, and it really makes it easy to prepare the car.I like to glaze the car finish the mourning of the show, and touch-up any engine compartment paint to make it stand out.When we leave, we always flip the floor mats so as to keep them fresh and new looking. Thanks in advance for the tips.....John and Cindy Ziganto
 
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Try Meguiar's.com. They have a cusom program for use as well as other tips. See if elbow grease is available in 55 gallon drums.

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This summer an issue of one of the mags I read had a list of the top 10 things judges look for. I can't remember which one right now.

Some tips were:

The glass is clean - no fingerprints, bug guts, etc.
Floor mats - take them out if they are not perfect.
Remove literature from the engine bay and trunk.

John, I heard the Frosty Mug show was very good last week with 200+ cars. I couldn't make it.


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Thanks stephan, but I think that plenty of my personal blend of elbo grease,that's from being unemployed since June,was applied,I won't need to check that.I was hoping for some suggestions beyond the obvious.

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Follow judging instructions!!! If they say windows up, doors open and glove box open, you're going to loose points if that isn't the way the car was found by the judges. Depending on the show judges are asked to be as non intrusive as possible. That means not opening the glove box if it's closed and not rolling up the window if down. And that's going to equate to lost points as if you had no window or glove box!!

Little things like window cranks pointing in the same direction also gives a good impression and don't show with an A&W tray with rootbeer mugs hanging out the window. The same for stuffed animals and any other decorative items that are cool at non-judged events, they don't belong during judging...

Beer with the judges the night before helps too!!

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Any buttons used to arm alarms or other such devices should be kept out of sight too. Obvious perhaps, but such small things tend to be overlooked by the owner and not the judges.
 

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Depending on your point of view, there was a good article in Super Chevy last month. I say depending on your point of view because what I took from the article was that the only way to win consistently at the big car shows is to have a trailer queen.
 

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Djd, I've never been to a show where I've been given "judging instructions", and I was wondering if you could expound on this? Thanks John Z.

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This is more of a car show survival tip than a how can I win more shows tip, but here goes...

I bought a small rubbermaid container that I filled with stuff we always need but never have with us at the shows. Including: first aid supplies, sun screen, bug spray, baby wipes, & hand sanitizer. Now it goes into the trunk of whichever car we are taking & I don't get sunburned anymore.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trplblk:
Djd, I've never been to a show where I've been given "judging instructions", and I was wondering if you could expound on this? Thanks John Z.
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Some "points" competition judging will hold an owners meeting where they provide handouts and go over how they expect your car to be displayed on the show field. The idea is to allow the judges the chance to go over your vehicle in the least intrusive manor. Your car may be reviewed by 5 or 6 judges. Would you want each of them rolling your windows up and down, putting your convertible top up and down etc...

Let's say you are told to leave the trunk open and you do, but the other guy didn't. The judges have to assume there are problems in the un-open trunk and adjust points accordingly. If they didn't how would you feel loosing to the guy that didn't have his trunk open and when you went to shake his hand you got a peek and saw a rusted out trunk?

WCA, Classic Chevys and many others have very defined events. It works very well IMO...

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DjD said "Beer with the judges the night before helps too!!". While this may not be taken literally, I do make an attempt to befriend the judges and officials of a show in advance of the show date. You would be surprised what a single phone call can accomplish. Also, always be at your car during judging. You can answer questions that would otherwise loose points. Besides a little distraction from flaws can't hurt. Maybe the most important, have a friend judge your car first. After time we become blind to our minor flaws or we at least believe they are not really noticeable. A friends point of view can really open your eyes to what others see.
 

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With due respect to Chris. I value his opinion but disagree with the hang around the car and have a friend do the judging... Judges have enough pressure doing their job and having the owner there only adds to it. Friends as a judge can back fire on you if they take what they are doing serious. The owner knows his car the best but a close friend may be privy to details another judge would miss. This would tend to strain the relationship and even more if you lost because of his vote... Anyway just the other side of the coin to ponder over...
 

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Slip the judge a ten.

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Hey DjD you misunderstand. What I meant was have a friend do everything a judge would do in a car show sometime before the car show. We become blind to flaws that others see right away. This way you can be alerted to items you need to pay attention to before you enter the show and while you still have time to fix them. I have been all ready to go and asked a friend that does not see my car all the time to look it over and critique it for me. Almost every time they spot something I ignored. As far as hanging around the car during judging goes, on several occasions I have been asked by the show administrators to be there during judging so I could answer questions they might have. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I will be clearer next time.
 

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No apology necessary. I misunderstood... Having someone go over your car before a judging is indeed a good idea! The other goes back to what I first said. Follow directions, if they want you there then be there!! Good advice all around...
 

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Trplblk -

Most of my judging experience is with NCRS (I'm Chairman of the Michigan Chapter); NCRS judging is different than typical "show and shine" judging, as your car isn't judged against other participant's cars - it's judged against the NCRS Originality and Condition Standard for your particular year car, which is documented in great detail in published Technical and Judging Manuals for each car; those manuals define what's correct, and that's what you work to when you restore your Corvette. Helps make the judging process as objective as possible, with the objective being to learn more about your car. NCRS Flight Judging one car takes five different two-man teams about an hour each (Operations, Interior, Exterior, Mechanical, and Chassis). Cleanliness is secondary to Originality and Condition, as NCRS encourages driving your car - bonus points are awarded for miles driven to the Meet.

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Hey John Z.,(by the way,GREAT NAME!)what criteria do judges use when judging a modified or custom car?I normally show in modified '60s class, but I was wondering what the difference is between that and custom? Thanks, the other John Z.

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John; meant no offense with my comment, hope none was taken. I quit my job just before Christmas 2000 and I'm old enough
to know better than to d that in an election year! Took me 6 months to get my act together and hook up with a good employer, then it took another 2 months to get a position with them! Wasn't the one I had hoped for either, but I do have my foot in the door. I know the strain on pocketbook, relationships, sanity, etc. Good luck with your job hunt!

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Build the car to the right catagory you want to be in. do not show a car that has too many mods to fit in stock, not enough to be in modified. Presentation is everything, so things like obeying the rules that have been requested(yes open doors, trunk, glove box) must be done. Clean! Clean! Past trphies etc sitting around do not hurt either.(they must be from the vehicle displayed)

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