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OK guys, I'm looking for opinions. My 26 yr old son seems to think that you can use a $20 hydraulic jack to hold up his car and then do a brake job. I tried to tell me he's asking for trouble and should use jack stands or even cement blocks would be better than just the jack. But, being his father, I don't know anything and he won't listen.

So, I thought I'd post it here and print out all the replys for him.

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Concrete blocks can crush and should not be used to support a car in any manner.

Hydraulic jacks are made to do only that, jack up the car. What if someone accidentally turned or knocked the jack handle? What if a seal lets loose? What if you push on the car and it starts to roll away or slide off the jack pad? Your appendages, and your life, are worth more than the $20 cost and the 2 minutes it takes to use jackstands.

Jackstands are made for a reason, to safely support the car.



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Jackstands are only $20 a pair for good ones so what is his problem? Are you sure he is your son?
just kidding but he must have bumped his head along the way. I use the stands even for changing oil, the jack lifts the car up but what if ..... so its easy to slide a stand under the frame. etc etc.
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I couldn't agree more on the use of jack stands. BUT I won't bet my life on a pair of 20 dollar Taiwan jack stands bought at the local swap meet or discount store. If the car does fall on you, it will only fall on you once.
 

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I usually stick an extra jack stand underneath just in case it slips off the other 2.

A good friend of mine lost his Grandfather, a lifelong mechanic, to a car falling on him...You can never be to safe!
 

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I had a jack let go on me once... Scared the crap out of me. Luckily I was working on a 4-wheel drive pickup with lots of ground clearence and only recieved a nasty bump on the head instead of being crushed. This was in my younger days when I thought I was invincible. I have since learned better.

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"MUST USE QUALITY JACK STANDS!!!!!!!"
Not those stamped 3 legged sheet metal ones either.
Just ask my best friend since high school. He has had two nine inch metal rods in his back (holding his spine together) for the last 17 years. His truck fell on him just after graduation and broke his back. He was using those old style 3 legged jack stands in the back and a bottle jack to hold up the front while he was doing a brake job, the jack stands legs spread out letting the truck fall over on top of him, the bottle jack's body cracked like a coconut at the same time according to the investigator.
He can't even lift up his kids to give them a hug.
Dumb move to use anthing else but the proper safety equipment.

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A good friend of mine was under a little Chevy Vega up on cement blocks in his driveway. They spontaneously crushed for no particular reason and dropped the car on his chest. He was in great shape at the time and somehow managed to cross his arms over his chest before impact which helped to spread the load a little. The paramedics got him out after a few minutes and got him breathing again. He was already dead but they revived him. Is that a good enough example?

Try a bunch of good jack stands, throw the tires under there and block any tires left on the car. Whatever reason he has for being a knothead about this can't possibly be worth it of the car falls. If he can't take it seriously he should find another hobby.

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Go to the garage NOW and HIDE the jack!Lock it in your trunk if you have to.I would rather see a loved one pissed at me for a week or so rather than me regretting a bad decision for a lifetime.Tell him he can have the jack when he finds and learns how to use stands.


Why are you still reading this....GO NOW!

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NOT EVEN DEBATABLE, JACK STANDS I think rocky mtn racer said it best when he said something to the effect of if you cant take this stuff seriously then take up another hobby. The minute you dont respect this hobby, it kills you. Whether its on the track or in the garage. NUFF SAID
 

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Here's another one to think about- the cylinder in a jack can slowly lose pressure and start creeping on you. That's exactly what happened to my buddy Rob while he was adjusting the ladder bars on his Chevelle. The jack lost a little pressure at a time until it finally gave way, nice and quiet, and pinned his thumb between it and the ladder bar mount. He screamed for about 10 minutes till his neighbor finally heard him and came over. It just about sliced his thumb off.
In my younger and dumber days I used to crawl under cars with only a jack all the time, till one fell sideways on me. The header flange just missed my neck and the trans almost took my head off- not fun. And cement blocks are a big no-no- when the first one lets go the other 3 follow within seconds...been there, done that!

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kurt6325... did you say your son was 26 or "16"? Hey Mr.Kurt6325 JUNIOR... listen to your father. He must love you or he wouldn't object to you in getting under car with a bottle jack. He's... 26?

If I found out my kid was under a suspended car without Jack Stands... I would make him go to bed without dinner
 

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It takes 30 seconds to put jackstands down. Even when you do a brake job, your legs are still probably going to be underneath the car when you are sitting there working. Ask someone who has become paralyzed how much they would like to have their body parts work again. There is no excuse not to be safe, plain and simple.

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JACK STANDS ONLY!!! raise the car place the stands on both sides evenly with one arm under the car, and slowly lower the jack onto them, always when possible keep the floor jack up under the car as a safety, then block the tires that are still on the ground... just my .02
 

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I like the four legged 8 ton jack stands with cast iron riser and release lever. I get them from harbor frieght. They are cheap, plenty strong and stable.
With a two ton floor jack, and good sized jack stands, you can get the car up high enough to roll around under it on a creeper, nice and comfy!

The cheapy three legged stands these days are made for import cars, not Camaros! I've seen them fold up or bend.

In California, you have to think of earthquake shocks too. I had three cars on stands during the recient 5.1 earthquake, no problems.

Most cheap jacks available nowadays can fail at any time. They are not well made. The cheap imports have driven the quality jack makers almost out of businness.
Companies like Lincoln now sell import knock offs of their old "quality" models too.
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