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Hello everyone,

I'm new to Camaros and this forum. I need some help with a car I'm researching for a friend. We are looking for engine stamps, vin stamps, partial hidden body numbers and any other identifying numbers on components in the car like axles and drive train.

I've seen a number of websites with descriptions of where they are, but still can't find them. It is a big block 427/425.

How would you suggest I get a look at and photograph the engine stamp at the back of the block?

Do I have to remove the alternator to get at the front stamp on the block?

Where is the oil filter?

Where are the other important numbers located on this car?

It has been restored. Looks beautiful.

The one other question I have is about vins in general. When I looked up the vin # I found a link to an archived topic in this forum about a different car, with the same vin and body number, but different color codes. This car has all factory paperwork from new. So I don't understand why another car(s) would also have that number too. Are they not unique?

Thank you,

Robert
 

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Post a picture of the VIN tag on the dash, pic of the trim tag on the firewall, pic of the engine stamp on the front pad, stamped numbers on the transmission and rear axle. See these links...

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#trans

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#axle

You can take a picture of the casting number of the block by looking in the area in front of the firewall. Oil filter is on the drivers side at the back edge of the block down toward the oil pan area.
 

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If I am understanding you correctly, by what you are describing one of the two cars is a forgery. Also known as a fake.
 

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something is wrong... 2 cars CANNOT have the same VIN and Trim Tag numbers. One is bogus... or maybe 2 are bogus...depends on if a Trim Tag and Vin are both original to the car they are on. Pics will help decifer what is going on.
Trying to get a photo of a partial VIN by the oil filter is next to impossible. Its stamped in a rough metal area and usually only visible when the engine is out of the car.
Even paper work is being forged these days. Dont trust anything until you take your time to show photos of all that 'stuff' and let experts here and in CRG delve into it.
 

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Thank you for the links and cautions. I'll do some more research and perhaps hire someone to come and pull the engine and to check other body numbers/drive train numbers.

Looks like this is a very necessary process. I really appreciate the quick responses.

Is there a list of specialists who determine value/authenticity on Camaros? I have been referred to a local guy, but would like to have options.
 

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Thank you for the links and cautions. I'll do some more research and perhaps hire someone to come and pull the engine and to check other body numbers/drive train numbers.

Looks like this is a very necessary process. I really appreciate the quick responses.

Is there a list of specialists who determine value/authenticity on Camaros? I have been referred to a local guy, but would like to have options.
I see you are from Canada. If the Camaro is a Canadian built car you can get all the info from GM Canada.
 

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GM Canada/ [email protected] 905 440 7636 is what I have.

The 1st and easiest thing to do is match the dash vin to the partial hidden vin under the cowl/behind heater core. Lot's of parts, like the engine and rear could have been switched out or re stamped. Happy to help if you need it or register & post any questions over at www.yenko.net
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I see you are from Canada. If the Camaro is a Canadian built car you can get all the info from GM Canada.
There were no first gen Camaros built in Canada, those that were sold new in Canada can be verified with paperwork from GM Canada.
 

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I believe it was a US car from new. I found the previous owner and he has answered most of my questions about the restoration etc. The engine and drivetrain are not original to this body, and since the post about the other car was from over ten years ago, I suspect they are one and the same, just a colour change.

@novamob thank you for the offer. I will email you some information on the car to see if you have any records, but since it was probably a US car - that may not turn anything else up.

Thanks again for all the help. This is a really great community and after driving this car, I understand the passion... When I find out what the plans are for the car I'll let you all know/post photos.

Rob
 

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I believe it was a US car from new. I found the previous owner and he has answered most of my questions about the restoration etc. The engine and drivetrain are not original to this body, and since the post about the other car was from over ten years ago, I suspect they are one and the same, just a colour change.

@novamob thank you for the offer. I will email you some information on the car to see if you have any records, but since it was probably a US car - that may not turn anything else up.

Thanks again for all the help. This is a really great community and after driving this car, I understand the passion... When I find out what the plans are for the car I'll let you all know/post photos.

Rob
If it is a US car sold new and you have no original paper work..... the chips are stacked against you. Good luck .
 
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