Looking for z/28 1969
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Welcome, Steve! A '69 Z/28 is the most faked/clone car out there. Unless you are 100% sure you have the knowledge to distinguish between a clone and a real Z, make sure you get advice from the guys here about the authenticity of the car you are looking at.
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Hi Steve, glad you made it hear....Good Talking to you...
Here is the real deal and has McNeish docs....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-C...c56e4429:g:ZqQAAOSwaG9XI6TW&item=252420441129
Jeff G.
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Here is the real deal and has McNeish docs....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-C...c56e4429:g:ZqQAAOSwaG9XI6TW&item=252420441129
Jeff G.
Hartford, CT
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Read page 2 of Jerry's report. Lots of issues that will cost big money to correct on this overpriced Z28
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Agreed just throwing it out there from a Real Z/28 perspective, maybe 49K?
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X2. Definitely do your homework and learn everything there is to know. The guys that fake these cars are getting better all the time.
What are your parameters? will this be a show car? driver?
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Agreed. Always do your homework. You can never go wrong with a Canadian sold car with GM of Canada documentation.
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Pardon me for asking but why does it HAVE to be a real Z. I know it is fun to spend upwords of 60-100k for an old Camaro but then it is like driving a museum piece. It will most likely just sit in the garage with a cover over it. If you have that kinda dough just so you can say I got one then I guess that's great. Why not buy something you can actually drive and enjoy. All you others that own Z's please don't be offended.
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Not offended, my 69 Z/28 sat in my garage and scared to death to drive it around here, drivers here are totally insane , texting Momma drama fools....
I picked up a 69 Firebird Convertible and drive it in the dirt, rain , so happy....
I picked up a 69 Firebird Convertible and drive it in the dirt, rain , so happy....
Hallelujah! What made a Z a Z? A particular engine that can be built with a modern roller block and better heads? A four speed. If you're going manual wouldn't you want a five or six speed? Supposedly better handling than a stock Camaro? Please. Different upper control arms, ball joints, bushings, etc will make a much better handling car. You can do the same thing the factory did only better by installing what you want in the engine bay and on the suspension.
You don't want to pay real Z money for a non-Z car but be realistic as to what you want to do with the car. If you want to drive it daily, build a clone that will look like one but drive and perform much better. If you do sell it, call it what it is and don't misrepresent.
That being said, take a look at Heartbeat City's website. Jim always has nice cars for sale and he documents the hell out of them. He has two right now. One is a cross ram car, the other is not.
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I guess the 1st thing is why do you want a Z?
Lots of newer to the Camaro hobby are aware of the mystique of the 1st Gen Z28 without really knowing very much about them other then the way they look. Don't know how many times I pull into a station and someone asks me if the car is a Z28? Even if it a SS or Plain Jane. Sometimes even if it's a convertible.
Zs are not the best street cars. Never were. They are solid lifter high reving motors without much low end torque.
So is the look you're after, the performance (as mentioned above it's easy to get way better performance) or just being able to say "I have a real Z28"?
For me I drive my cars. Would never just park and cover a car no matter a Z or any other "rare" car. I mean drive them. You won't break them and if you do you can fix them.
Lots of newer to the Camaro hobby are aware of the mystique of the 1st Gen Z28 without really knowing very much about them other then the way they look. Don't know how many times I pull into a station and someone asks me if the car is a Z28? Even if it a SS or Plain Jane. Sometimes even if it's a convertible.
Zs are not the best street cars. Never were. They are solid lifter high reving motors without much low end torque.
So is the look you're after, the performance (as mentioned above it's easy to get way better performance) or just being able to say "I have a real Z28"?
For me I drive my cars. Would never just park and cover a car no matter a Z or any other "rare" car. I mean drive them. You won't break them and if you do you can fix them.
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Steve, I think you need to be a little more specific in terms of what kind of Z you are looking for. You have been looking for 2 plus years and still have not found the right one? I can think of dozens that have been for sale in that time you could have purchased. Are you looking for a car with original drivetrain and documentation, or a driver as long as it was born a real Z but has a non OE engine etc.
There are a lot of real and fake Z28s for sale , I use to have a real one and after all the hype they are not worth it IMO. I can build a much better 67-69 camaro for much less that would leave a Z28 in the weeds. These days for me it's only 67-68 Rally sports because they have the look and it's easy to build the rest,Just my option
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Why is this guy getting grief for wanting a "real Z"?
Steve: if you want a real Z, and you can afford a real Z, buy a real Z. My Z/28 is real, and I still drive it. I have it insured on a classic policy, so if the crazy "texting Momma drama" T bones me, I will be justly compensated. I take it places from time to time and the first question is ALWAYS: "is it a real Z?"
Something special about a real Z. Now, as others have stated, yes you can have just as good of a DRIVING experience without purchasing a real Z. However, if you WANT a real Z, will you have just as good of an OWNERSHIP experience? Only you can answer that. The guys that "pooh pooh" the Z, are the guys that don't have one. There are other first gen Camaros that I would like to own. I don't run them down, or give every reason why I don't want one, just because I don't have one.
Having said all of that, if you want a real Z, and you like fathom green, I know where one is; great owner, had it on the market a while back at $50k. Nice car, but it is NOT the original engine, but it is a correct DZ 302 in a real Z/28 that came from the factory as a real Z/28. Owner's name is Sam. PM me and I will put you in touch.
Also, if you buy from HBC (and I have bought a few things from HBC dating back to 1997) you WILL pay a premium. And... there is no such thing as a "CROSS RAM CAR" from the factory. It is nothing more than a regular Z with an added a cross ram. Don't pay a premium for such a car. Did the Z/28 handle better than a regular SS from the factory in 1969? Absolutely. It didn't have a bigger sway bar, but had different springs, and sat lower. Can you do better today? Absolutely. For most guys that want a real Z, it is about the nostalgia.
Steve: if you want a real Z, and you can afford a real Z, buy a real Z. My Z/28 is real, and I still drive it. I have it insured on a classic policy, so if the crazy "texting Momma drama" T bones me, I will be justly compensated. I take it places from time to time and the first question is ALWAYS: "is it a real Z?"
Something special about a real Z. Now, as others have stated, yes you can have just as good of a DRIVING experience without purchasing a real Z. However, if you WANT a real Z, will you have just as good of an OWNERSHIP experience? Only you can answer that. The guys that "pooh pooh" the Z, are the guys that don't have one. There are other first gen Camaros that I would like to own. I don't run them down, or give every reason why I don't want one, just because I don't have one.
Having said all of that, if you want a real Z, and you like fathom green, I know where one is; great owner, had it on the market a while back at $50k. Nice car, but it is NOT the original engine, but it is a correct DZ 302 in a real Z/28 that came from the factory as a real Z/28. Owner's name is Sam. PM me and I will put you in touch.
Also, if you buy from HBC (and I have bought a few things from HBC dating back to 1997) you WILL pay a premium. And... there is no such thing as a "CROSS RAM CAR" from the factory. It is nothing more than a regular Z with an added a cross ram. Don't pay a premium for such a car. Did the Z/28 handle better than a regular SS from the factory in 1969? Absolutely. It didn't have a bigger sway bar, but had different springs, and sat lower. Can you do better today? Absolutely. For most guys that want a real Z, it is about the nostalgia.
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