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I was planning on getting a muncie rock crusher for my 68 cause ive heard theyre awesome trannies. But lately ive been reading that the tremecs are pretty good. The main thing i like is 5speed, cause i got a 12bolt 4:10.
I plan to make it a street/strip car, with very little highway driving, but even back road driving at about 60-65, i'd prob. be taching around 4300 right?(w/ muncie)

I wanna not hafta drive my car at those rpms all the time, but at the same time, i want the classicness of the m-22.

Any opinions/suggestions?

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Check my post under "which trans do fit the camaro?" in this forum.

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What rear gears do you have. That's a pretty steep rpm. I have 4.10's with short tires and tach around 4000. I just had an Autogear M22 built and like it. However, that overdirve would be nice for close to the same $. The other thing to consider is the first gear ratio coupled with your rear gears.

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sounds like you have made up your mind... i was cruising at 4000-4500 with my M20... the tremec im going to buy will be welcomed! and it hold 525 foot lbs of torque (or a little more). im planning on taking mine to the strip too!

(maybe DJD can get me a 200R4 by then
 

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Yea but im pretty sure a rebuilt m-22 will hold up to quite a bit more than 525 foot/lbs. I dont know. It sounds like there is alot of conversion work for the tremec, and the more i talk to my dad about the m-22, the more i like it

I'll probaly go for the m22, but any more suggestions are welcome.

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here is a site i found for m22's.
Do you guys think these are rebuilt properly, does this guy have a good reputation. And on the torque note earlier, what do you think these would hold up to hp/tq?
http://www.jetboatbill.com/m22new2.htm

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Is there a reason you want a 2.20 low Muncie for a street car? From personal experience it is the worst thing you can use even with a big block. In actual truth it really isn't much stronger than an M21 and sure costs a lot more money.
 

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Why wouldnt I want to use it?
From what I heard, they're awesome trannies that hold up to a decent amount of power

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m22 is a really noise tranny. "From what I hear", Ill tell you what you hear and it is alot of whinning.... the 2.20 gear isnt very low at all and if any gm tranny I would get the M20 if you must have the manual and but put 3.73 gears in. Truely manuals break lots of parts when raced and are not great in heavy traffic. they still hold a certain cool factor but the novality soon wears off when you go from 2nd to 1st shifting at 6K and the moter throws a rod.... I also and am experienced in the fact that auto's will out run you at the strip given equal power. You just cant launch a manual like an auto. Just my ideas but if it is a true manual car you have to keep the manual but if you are going from auto to a manual you arnt serious about racing and will regret it later if life when the rearend and u joints go out.
 

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The biggest disadvantage to the M22 is that first gear is ssssoooo tall; even with a 4.11 gear it's tall and any rear gear in that range is miserable on the freeway. That's where the TKO shines. It has a much lower first gear and fifth is 33% overdriven so you can have a low rear gear for good acceleration and still get on the freeway without taching 4000 rpm. I also think the Tremec TKO is stronger, but both trannies are pretty tough.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoeSS396:
m22 is a really noise tranny. "From what I hear", Ill tell you what you hear and it is alot of whinning.... the 2.20 gear isnt very low at all and if any gm tranny I would get the M20 if you must have the manual and but put 3.73 gears in. Truely manuals break lots of parts when raced and are not great in heavy traffic. they still hold a certain cool factor but the novality soon wears off when you go from 2nd to 1st shifting at 6K and the moter throws a rod.... I also and am experienced in the fact that auto's will out run you at the strip given equal power. You just cant launch a manual like an auto. Just my ideas but if it is a true manual car you have to keep the manual but if you are going from auto to a manual you arnt serious about racing and will regret it later if life when the rearend and u joints go out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol-acutally ive heard that they make that "whining" sound, but everyone said it was kinda cool.
Im not trying to get the best times, but if i was, it still wouldnt turn me off. My dads old 68 had an m22 and ran 10's with a built 427 and a narrowed dana 5:86(Around this ratio anyway)
I just want an overall cool tranny-but I kinda want an overdive, hehe. Maybe I'll just settle for no highway.

lol I dunno

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[This message has been edited by Dolman (edited 10-05-2002).]
 

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After 1000 miles, here's my impressions on the M22, having gone from a M20:

The 2.20 first gear doesn't make much difference. This is with my 4.10's.

The gear whine isn't as bad as some make it out to be. I will say starting off that 1st gear is LOUD. Once under way, the gears are making a more subtle whine which sounds OK.

Although my motor is busy on the street, it doesn't bother me. But it's a personal thing. My car is more a local point and shoot. I still have to do tires/wheels which will soften it up a bit.

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Cool, you've got the same setup that ive got. What do you tach around 55-60?
Most of my driving would be like 25-35 mph, but occasionly I might want to go to my girlfriend's house like 40 min away, so I dont think an m-22 would be too much of a problem since I'm not going like that every day.
Actually I dont even plan to drive it every day so I think everything might work out.

Does it shift nice?any better than the m-20?

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Your not going over to your girlfriend's house everyday? So is she seeing someone else??

SORRY, just had to do it!!


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LOL
No not every day...maybe every other

hehe hey lay off, w/ work and all, its hard to find time to drive that far. I'll just use my beater to get over there instead of the 68...well most of the time


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My speed is way off. There is an easy calculator to figure what rpm will result from what gear/speed combo. I'll guess 4000 +/- at 60-65. The Autogear was a little notchy for the first 200 miles or so. Now's it's smooth as butter ( same as my M20 ). Of course, when my M20 was taken apart there were so many gear teeth missing it's no wonder it went into each gear easily!!

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So is the m-22 quite a bit better than the 20 in your opinion?
4000 aint bad for 60-65...I can live with that. What tires are you running? Im looking for MT N50-15's-lol i know, everything on my car is gonna be 'classic'.
Guess what kinda rims im gonna run? BTW it aint hard


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I currently have 225/60-14's! Came with the car.

In the long run, the M22 is stronger and, for me, probably overkill. But I couldn't see having another M20 built. You know - excess is best! As far as wheels, my short list has cragars - 15", Vintage Wheel Works 16" in either 5 or 8 spoke or 15" Minilite's ( my real preference - ala Trans Am.

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Hey RickD....are you still having trouble with the reverse? I just wanted to ask you if you have any troubles with grinding when going into reverse? I am still having a heck of a time getting it to pop in without really, I mean really grinding on the way in. I have tried the 1st then reverse, 2nd then reverse, 3rd and then in and even going through every gear and to reverse and the same problem persists. The grinding isn´t the worst part. The worst part is the huge "clunk" noise that it makes when it falls into reverse. When the car is cold life is good. If I drive it at all the car grinds when backing it into the garage. Clutch need adjusted?

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