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So I cheap out and order reproduction door sils from a big name distributor. They show up, I unpack them and something is bothering me, something is really wrong but I can't put my finger on it. Then I see it. The body by fisher and chariot are upside down! The things face into the car and not out...

Has anyone else seen this and any suggestions for what I should do?

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i bought repops,and decided they were junk. Mine did not look anything like the originals so I returned them, and bought NOS. They do not have the riveted emblems, but ai bought a bunch of originals, and plan to remove two emblems including the rivet, and glue them in place of the ones with dimples to simulate the rivets.
 

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I wouldn't try peeling the 'Coach' off... it'll just bend and crease and never stick again. Find a car in the junkyard that has the sill plates with the original emblems and drill them out that way.

Maybe I'll take a couple shots of the one's that came with my car from Year One. They look fine to me. Unless you want a 100% original car that's already a factory correct show-queen. Can't see paying mega-hundreds of dollars for something on a daily driver that you step on.



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GM Restoration means that GM receives a royalty from the repro company because they used GM's name on the package. Based on my experience, quality and fit are no better than other repro parts without the "GM Restoration" designation.
 

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Well, I just went to the basement and looked at mine. They are in original GM wrappers, have the shipping tag showing the Chevy dealer they were shipped to, and DO NOT have rivets. In fact, they do not have a dimple to simulate the rivets---they're just flat.

I would call these NOS, as they are no longer available from GM.
I think the discriptions of parts are as follows:

NOS-- New GM, but no longer available from the dealer
GM replacement -- supplied from GM, but somewhat different (Outer door handles is one example
GM authorized reproduction -- just that
GM or OEM -- original used parts
Restoration --any other repop
 

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Not exactly - NOS is "New Old Stock", which are supposed to be identical in every respect to what was actually used in production, and were made during the time the car was in production; very rarely found anywhere, as most service parts were slightly different and were made after the car was out of production. What you find 99% of the time in original GM packaging is NORS, "New Old Replacement Stock", which are service replacements; they are "functionally equivalent", sometimes made from the original tooling, but not necessarily identical in appearance to the original production part (which is why they carry different part numbers in the GM system than the original production part number shown in the A.I.M.).

The sill plates currently available from GM are "NORS" - they fit fine and look pretty close, but the Fisher Coach emblem isn't riveted on. 99% of the stuff you see on eBay advertised as "NOS" is actually "NORS" ("functional equivalent" service parts, not original production parts) - you have to know exactly what you're looking for. Sellers stick the "NOS" description on everything, hoping to hose as many people as possible.

In some cases, good reproduction parts can be closer in appearance to the original production parts than current GM service replacement parts in GM wrappers, depending on how (and by whom) the GM service parts were made. GM doesn't make our old service parts - they contract that business to outside suppliers, who may or may not have access to any of the original part's tooling (if it still exists and it's worth refurbishing to work in the supplier's equipment).

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Have you seen what a pair of real NOS sill plates with the rivets sells for? I think the last pair I saw sold for over $500.

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This is why I chose to purchase reproductions rather than "NOS" (or really NORS) in this instance. Usually I do not purchase reproduction parts but I could justify paying twice the price for a part that is equally as incorrect just for the GM packaging. If the NOS parts were rivited or "more correct" I could see the justification, but in the case of the sills, none of them have rivets and none of them could be correct.

This gets us back into the debate about what are you willing to pay for original parts. Whether you talk about heater deletes or rivited sill plates, if you have a high dollar concourse restoration, what is it worth to you to have these pieces? Factory original a lot harder (and expensive), especially in these times of "catalog restorations".
 

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I have the original riveted sills on my 69 and they look 33 years old. Is there a good place that they can be sent to be polished and cleaned up? I don't have any of the equipment or expertise to do this myself.
 

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I just put repops n my car several months ago and they have the rivit molded into the emblem. They have a much higher polish than factory and most of the other repops I've seen. I got them from Steves Camaros in San Bruno, CA....

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I guess if you're into the judging and "concourse" restoration thing then you really need to have the correct item. It doesn't matter if you're showing a 6 cyl PG car or a ZL1, either car is going to lose the same amount of points for the wrong sill plate. I'm building my car for myself and others to enjoy looking at for it's uniqueness and since it won't be technically correct I don't care about judging and losing points. If I found a set of the correct sill plates for $125 I would probably buy them, but I'm not paying $500+ for something you'll never see until you open the door.

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I have a set for a 69 that are practically new.....polished....that I would sell for $20 and shipping to the first guy who wanted them. I mistakenly ordered twice from two differing vendors when rebuilding the convertible and didn't realise I had two sets. They do not have rivots.

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I am looking for excellent condition FISCHER riveted tags that I can xfer(epoxy) to the NEW sill plates......If anybody runs across beat up original sill plates with GOOD riveted tags please communicate with me......Chuck Sharin/Seattle "finders" fee paid for 70-73 parts not on Ebay or the net
 
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