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So, I took the 67 down the road today and for the first time, didn't hear any new noises that made me take it back and work on finding what it was, so, that was great, but , man, is my steering WACKED. It has factory power steering and so far, I haven't touched it, but, I'm not taking this thing far driving like this.

Now,I was thinking about just ordering rebuild kits for my steering box and pump , but, I have read a few posts saying that a 3rd gen box is the way to go. If it is, how much money are we talking about and what all parts are needed to change over?

Just trying to figure which way to go.
 

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Re: steering box

Steps,

The question was about opinions on rebuiding old box compared to swapping to the 3rd gen that alot of people seem to like. Larry got it. Thanks Larry.
 

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Total cost for a rebuilt pump and all the stuff for the third gen swap should be less than $300 even with new hoses. If you've got an old pump, you might need to go ahead and get a rebuilt one as they are set up for the higher pressures the later model boxes require. That $300 is before you get your core charges back for the pump and box so figure maybe around $260 or so total.

I went from a practically new Year One reproduction '69 fast ratio box to a third gen box and am loving it.
 

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I swapped my original PS box for a Lares 972 box. It is an original box with IROC internals and quick ratio, so it was a direct swap. I turned the original box in for core at Advance Auto. I think NPD also sells them, and they are sometimes on EBAY.
 

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My pump is the orginal factory....never had to touch it other than new oil every couple yrs and replace the hoses
Done around 300.000 miles
Have the orginal quick steering box, had to replace a couple seals a couple yrs back
Love the box would never consider changing it.
If its not broke dont fix it.
 

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Manual boxes aside, you are starting with the worst of the power boxes with a '67. Any other power box will be an improvement in road feel and ratio.
 

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Ok, I'm just wondering what the differences are between the advance auto cardone gear box part #276550, and the ones that come up as fitting my 67 , which are part numbers 27-6537, and 27-6509. Educate me on this. Also, what power steering pump and pitman arm does everyone recommend ? Need everyones help to figure this out. So far everthing I have replaced on the car was specific to the 67 model, so, using parts for a 3rd gen makes me nervous just because of part fitment. But , since everyone thinks this is the way to go, I'm all for it. Just want to know all parts needed. Thanks alot everyone.
 

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This has been done over and over and over and has been done for years. It's not exactly a new thing. There's nothing to be nervous about.

The exterior of the third gen box is identical to the first gen box. The only differences are the internals, smaller input shaft which requires a new coupler, and different hose fittings which simply require flare inserts which you simply tap down into the orifices. The old boxes were SAE thread inverted flare whereas the new boxes are metric thread o-ring. However, the threads are close enough that your original stuff will work and it is the flare that seals it, not the threads.

Also if you get a rebuilt pump it will come with a female fitting whereas the hoses for a '67 have female fittings. No problem there as you can either get a hose for a '74 Nova OR get a fitting to convert the pump. I did the fitting. You should be able to reuse your pitman arm unless it is just shot.

For a complete conversion, you only need:
-Cardone 27-6550 box from AutoZone/Advance $140
-Dorman 31011 coupler from RockAuto.com or AutoZone/Advance (cheaper at Rock) $50
-Lee Manufacturing high and low pressure inserts and tool phone 818-768-0371 or 888-698-6679 $20
-Rebuilt pump from AutoZone/Advance $60
-Weatherhead 1563 fitting for pump from NAPA or '74 Nova high pressure hose $10
-New hoses $30

That's it. $300 before you get your core charges back and you just completely redid your steering system pump and all.
 

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Thanks a million Steiner, this is exactly the breakdown I was looking for. Guess it looks like I'll be jumping into this in the next week or so. My pitman arm is shot. Wiggles like crazy in the center link, so, I want to get it changed out too.

I may need to post again when I get started if the flare fitting swap gives me any trouble. Be on standby, and thanks again.
 

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The fittings are nothing. For the one that goes in the pump (if you want to use '67 hoses) you simply screw it in. No sealant needed.

For the Lee inserts, they are just little aluminum fittings that you tap down into the orifice holes in the steering box. They will sell you an install tool that is like a punch with a shoulder on it or you can use a 1/4" bolt with a nut screwed onto it a little ways. You just have to make sure the fittings are lined up good and just tap them in lightly with a hammer until they seat.
 

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Ok, sounds easy enough, I'm getting stuff together now to order. Found the pitman arm at rockauto when i ordered coupler. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to get this started next week. Thanks again.
 

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ok well here is a question

Do you lose your steering radius with the iroc box or does it stay the same as the stock 67 camaro one?
 

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ok well here is a question

Do you lose your steering radius with the iroc box or does it stay the same as the stock 67 camaro one?
Your radius is determined by your steering stops and alignment specs have a small part as well I think, a box change may affect your steering ratio if thats what your referring to.
 

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no what i am referring to is that if you use the factory box right now you can go around in a perfect circle very easy but if you put the IROC box in, it has different setup causing your turns to be wider, AM I WRONG????? this is what a steering box rebuilder told me
 

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see that is what that shop was talking about, i need it for a 67 camaro with factory power steering so tell me what would work
 

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If you call Lee Manufacturing they can rebuild your box for whatever setup you want. I think it is more expensive than the third gen upgrade but if your setup is currently like what David describes below, it may be a wash plus you save the $50 on the coupler.

To quote David Pozzi:
"Reports of lack of steering travel have been reported but it's only been when the outer steering arms are the long type, and a short pitman is used on the box, AND the box ratio is 12.7 with limited travel, like an IROC box. I think the 67 boxes had way more travel than they ever needed."
 
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