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If you want cheap, these are the ones on Ebay for $389 for the whole set!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camaro-Tubular-Front-Control-A-Arms-67-69-Nova-68-74-SS_W0QQitemZ330372822867QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4cebc13753

They did have failure of the upper A arm offset inserts however.
The Summit arms look even cheaper made than the above arms, but cost more.

There is no way to tell the quality of these arms, their only real advantage is, they are cheap. If you are building a car to be run hard at high speeds, then I'd stick with a US manufacturer, it's worth it in piece of mind.
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Thanks!

I saw the post about the e-bay arms. The broken insert thing is scaring me off. I'm not sure if the "upgraded" inserts have the same problem.

I saw these arms on the Summit site, and I didn't know if they were worth anything.

Would I be better off saving the pesos up and getting the Global West arms over the e-bay arms?
 

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If you want cheap, these are the ones on Ebay for $389 for the whole set!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camaro-Tubular-Front-Control-A-Arms-67-69-Nova-68-74-SS_W0QQitemZ330372822867QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4cebc13753

They did have failure of the upper A arm offset inserts however.
The Summit arms look even cheaper made than the above arms, but cost more.

There is no way to tell the quality of these arms, their only real advantage is, they are cheap. If you are building a car to be run hard at high speeds, then I'd stick with a US manufacturer, it's worth it in piece of mind.
David
I'm also in the market for these and am stunned at the price for the really good stuff.
 

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I'm stunned too. I have been waiting for the price to go down for a long time and I can't believe it hasn't and that people are still paying that much for them.
 

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Speedtech upper and lower arms are WAY better quality then either of those, Tig Welded .125 wall DOM tubing, Stainless cross shafts, Delrin bushings, worlds apart and only $1000 a set through us.

 

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You can also get used arms. For example, I bought used Global West uppers at a nice price.
 

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only $1000 a set
That's why I'm looking into other arms. I'm sure the Speed Tech's are great, but they are expensive. Same with Hotchkis and DSE. GW's are the cheapest deal going right now other than the e-bay arms, and the e-bay arms have had some issues.

No offense, just beyond my means.
 

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The no name arms are difficult to rate, quality and MFR are unknown, or hard to find. To be sure, they do not look as durable or reliable as the "known" mfr's. The Summit lowers look weaker than the Ebay arms!

It's very difficult to predict if you will have buyers remorse if you got the ebay arms, driving your car down the road thinking "I wonder if these arms are going to snap". Some guys would never worry, others would be afraid to drive or ride in the car. There's a certain amount of satisfaction or pride in having a "brand name" part on the car.

I have some Speed Tech first gen arms and they are great.
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IMO the cheap arms are not worth the money. They probably do not have the engineering behind them to make even the cheaper price worth the expense. I am not an engineer and have not checked them all out but that is my $.02. If you are after better handling and want to stay stock looking and keep costs down you might check into the G-mod. Check Dave's website in the link above. Lots of good info, this I can attest to personally.
 

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I dont have these because I want my suspension stock but after researching if you actually want some benefit besides just "bling" these are the ones to get and you only need the uppers w the tall ball joints.

Not exactly, yes you can acheive good results with a upper arm and tall ball joint. But that is not the only way. And for me, not the prefered way either.

With a quality aftermarket upper with built in added caster, and a drill bit, you can do a Gulstrand mod to achieve the same thing.
 

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Amazing how one can judge the quality just from a small picture.
I do not want to make a big deal out of this. But your statement did make me review my reply, and all the others too. I personally am very careful NOT to make judgements on silly little pictures or stuff I read from manufacurers.

I just read the entire thread carefully and see no one judging the quality by a small picture.

In Davids reply he clearly states

"The no name arms are difficult to rate, quality and MFR are unknown, or hard to find"

In Larry56 reply he states

"IMO the cheap arms are not worth the money"

And in my personal reply I state the other arms are better based purely on specifications

"Tig Welded .125 wall DOM tubing, Stainless cross shafts, Delrin bushings"

Just wanted to clear that up.
 

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If you want cheap, these are the ones on Ebay for $389 for the whole set!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Camaro-Tubular-Front-Control-A-Arms-67-69-Nova-68-74-SS_W0QQitemZ330372822867QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4cebc13753


The Summit arms look even cheaper made than the above arms, but cost more.

There is no way to tell the quality of these arms, their only real advantage is, they are cheap. If you are building a car to be run hard at high speeds, then I'd stick with a US manufacturer, it's worth it in piece of mind.
David

The implication that they are cheaply made is there, he does back peddal a bit but the implication is still there.
Not a major issue, but no one here has any experience with these arms, they may be the best thing since sliced bread for all we know.
 

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Not a major issue, but no one here has any experience with these arms, they may be the best thing since sliced bread for all we know.
Not trying to keep this going but one thing I can positively say from the small pictures is they ARE NOT the best. However, they may be just fine.

I just know I personally don't pinch pennies on such important items. Perfect example. My good friend Bill Howell was in the Optima Challenge a few weeks ago. After he completed his road coarse segment, after he completed his autocross segment, we was on the stopping portion of the Zero to 60 and back to Zero segment when his control arm snapped.

We ran all the scenarios about how much worse this could have been had it happened 42 seconds earlier on the auto cross, or 2.15 minutes earlier on the road coarse at speeds north of 100MPH. And in the end how lucky he was it happened in the 0-60-0. \

Don't race your car? Fine. Imagine that happening on the interstate traveling beside a Semi truck between the truck and rear trailer wheels, and the car makes a instant hard right.

Now you will understand why I feel so passionately about such things.

FYI, This WAS NOT a SUMMIT RACING ARM! But just a piece of junk arm.





 

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I know what I like and don't like. I don't like poor fit up of parts, don't like lack of reinforcement. To me, the Ebay arms look better than the Summit arms, especially the lowers. I wouldn't want the spring seat to break off and drop the car on the ground. The lower A arm tubes have less bend near the inboard pivot. The summit spring seats look less strong, not as well attached, the upper ball joint bracket looks poorly fitted. I have no idea what either are made out of, could be proper seamless DOM, or could be junk, don't know the wall thickness, welding method, or type of bushing either. If I were buying based on a photo, I'd pick the ebay arms, but for more piece of mind, I'd pick a name brand I have had experience with.

I don't like to pass judgement on a part by only looking at photos, but that's all the info I have at this point. I HAVE personally seen or used Hotchkis, DSE, Speed Tech, & Global West arms, spoken to each of the MFR's face to face and have complete confidence in their products. I know there are guys who just can't afford the top notch stuff and are looking for less expensive alternatives. The Ebay vendor was contacted by customers and did provide some Mfr information, the insert issue was fixed I believe, and lots of them have been sold, so they are developing a reputation of sorts. Things that are not known are how much do the arms increase caster? Is the extra caster split between upper and lower arms or all in the upper arm? Polly bushings, or Delrin?

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