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I've been reading over information on these new taller spindles, and taller ball joints. Both adverstised to correct the bump steer issue Camaro's have. I'm wondering with my current set up, which one would be best?

Here's what I've got:

Speedtech Upper & Lower A Arms
Hotchkis 2" Drop Coil Springs
Bilstein Shocks
Hotchkis Tie Rod Sleeves
Stock Disc Brake Spindle
Baer Brakes Track System w/ 13" Rotors
17"x7" Intro Rims 4.75" BS
Yokohama AVS Sport Tires 235/45/17

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I would go with the ball joints. Cheaper! Aren't there some problems with running the spindles? I'm sure the experts will chime in with their opinions and real world results.
 

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I would go with the ball joints. Cheaper! Aren't there some problems with running the spindles? I'm sure the experts will chime in with their opinions and real world results.
I know drop spindles are not good, since it causes the tie rod to hit the wheel in most cases. I was looking at these Tall-No Drop spindles offered from L&H Kustoms.

http://lhkustoms.com/products.htm

But at $750 it's pretty spendy, especially compared to the taller ball joints. I was also curious about the "Z/28 Short" Steering Arms. They say those help reduce bump steer, and can work with stock spindles for $325.

Anybody use these with stock spindles?
 

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The tall ball joints are going to help with camber gain in cornering. The bump steer is a different issue/cure. The Guldstrand mod helps correct the camber gain also. I'm not sure if you can do the tall joints and Guldstrand mod at the same time.

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The tall ball joints are going to help with camber gain in cornering. The bump steer is a different issue/cure. The Guldstrand mod helps correct the camber gain also. I'm not sure if you can do the tall joints and Guldstrand mod at the same time.

Jeff
You are correct Jeff. Only one or the other. Either the G mod or tall ball joints, not both! I believe Proforge has come out with some tie rods to help correct the bump steer. I saw it over on pro-touring.net.
Here you go http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?81995-Bumpsteer-Corrected-Tall-Outer-Tie-Rod-Ends-for-1967-69-Camaro-and-Firebird
 

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You are correct Jeff. Only one or the other. Either the G mod or tall ball joints, not both! I believe Proforge has come out with some tie rods to help correct the bump steer. I saw it over on pro-touring.net.
Here you go http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?81995-Bumpsteer-Corrected-Tall-Outer-Tie-Rod-Ends-for-1967-69-Camaro-and-Firebird
Thanks for the link! :thumbsup: For $49 each I think that's the way to go. I do like those L&H Kustoms "Z/28 Short" Steering Arms, but I can put the difference towards some subframe connectors.
 

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i just installed a set of those tie rod ends on mine ,nice piece i wi ll upload some pictures tomorrow. i used right stuff upper and lowers and qa's . this set up can lower the car as much as you want, will post pictures tomorrow
 

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i just installed a set of those tie rod ends on mine ,nice piece i wi ll upload some pictures tomorrow. i used right stuff upper and lowers and qa's . this set up can lower the car as much as you want, will post pictures tomorrow
Pics would be awesome! :hurray:
 

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Thanks for the pics Ern!!! Beautiful looking car you've got.

What's the back spacing on your front wheels? Also did the ball joints come that color, or you painted the steering components to match your a arms? And what coil overs are you running?
 

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jason the ft back spacing is 4 and a half, the control arms are base clear grey and the spindles are powercoated silver , the tie rods come powder black, i am using qa,s with 550 springs . they work really well
 

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here are the pictures of the new susp. using the long outter tie rod ends,:thumbsup:lots of clearance to the wheel. it is 15 by 8 ,st. lights.
Hi there,

I could be missing something, but those don't look like our tall outer tie rod ends. Our tie rods are black e-coated (similar to a powder coating) and those look like they are raw steel.

Are you sure you put them on? If you bought a front end kit from someone else and also bought our tie rods, it's possible that you installed the regular tie rods and our's are sitting in a box somewhere.
 

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to proforged, if you look a little closer, i had them painted base clear grey to match the control arms and put covers over the boots . they are a nice piece, just wanted a dif. color
 

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That's a good deal. The Howe stuff I got from SC&C is a rip compared to that and you have to buy custom length sleeves for the tie rods on top of it.
 

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So would someone like to chime in and elaborate further on running both the proforge tall upper ball joint and also their tall tierod. I have read mixed posts where individuals claim to run the tall tierod and go with there standard upper ball joint. So what are the pros and cons exactly on using their tall tierod with their "regular" upper ball joint vs Running their tall tierod and their tall balljoint. (On stock camaro) ?

Someone had pointed out that the specs from David Pozzi site show the tall tie rod ends offer a better gain over running the tall upper ball joint, so what is correct if we could clear this up.

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?81995-Bumpsteer-Corrected-Tall-Outer-Tie-Rod-Ends-for-1967-69-Camaro-and-Firebird
 

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The stock setup is prone to bumpsteer and has a poor camber curve.
Adding the tall tie rods helps with decreasing bumpsteer.
Adding the tall ball joints helps the camber curve BUT increases bumpsteer.
So, if you want to make your camber curve better by using the tall ball joints then the tall tie rods become more of a necessity versus just an improvement (in mainly one area) on their own.
 
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