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Hi Brett. I just went to the Chevelle forum and clicked on new. I was 7 pages in before I found a political thread. We are far from that here on this forum. Usually multiple political threads on page 1. Completely different....

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Yes Don, you are correct. The number of post and visits and the date since is much lower than ours. Can we attribute that to the fact that the Camaro Forum is more popular and has more members? I don't know. It was an observation that I made.
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It's easier said than done.

I'm a mod at one of the other AutoForums car sites, and we've had a no-politics policy since day 1...way before AutoForums was involved. Even though that was part of the 'I agree to the site policies' statement, people still griped 'but mah first ahmendment rahts!' when we'd kill a political post or a thread. Even though that was the site policy. Even though the forum isn't covered by the 1st amendment. Even though the forum (and AutoForums) is Canadian-based, which means it has even less to do with the US constitution.

In practice, the site 'owners' are AutoForums. To be blunt, they really don't know or care about the content here on the site, as long as it doesn't get them into legal trouble. They want eyeballs, and that's it. If there's kiddie porn or drug sales...yeah, they'd care about that. Otherwise, it's completely 100% on the site moderators who are volunteers, doing this for $0, with very little thanks from anyone usually.

It's tough enough keeping the political BS out of a site that has had a policy against it for 15+ years. It's darned near impossible to do that on a site that has allowed it and decides to stop allowing it. Best case, the mods are going to get an earful from a bunch of members here who feel they've been censored or disenfranchised somehow.

While personally I'd be happy if any/all political discussions were removed from this site, I know it's going to be triple overtime for the mods, and I'm not sure I'd wish that on them. Just be aware of what you're asking for here, and what the ramifications are.
 

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Yes Don, you are correct. The number of post and visits and the date since is much lower than ours. Can we attribute that to the fact that the Camaro Forum is more popular and has more members? I don't know. It was an observation that I made.
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Chevelle forum has far more posts with a much smaller percentage of those posts being political as near as I can tell.

This forum is withering away as long time members are driven away imho....

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It's easier said than done.

I'm a mod at one of the other AutoForums car sites, and we've had a no-politics policy since day 1...way before AutoForums was involved. Even though that was part of the 'I agree to the site policies' statement, people still griped 'but mah first ahmendment rahts!' when we'd kill a political post or a thread. Even though that was the site policy. Even though the forum isn't covered by the 1st amendment. Even though the forum (and AutoForums) is Canadian-based, which means it has even less to do with the US constitution.

In practice, the site 'owners' are AutoForums. To be blunt, they really don't know or care about the content here on the site, as long as it doesn't get them into legal trouble. They want eyeballs, and that's it. If there's kiddie porn or drug sales...yeah, they'd care about that. Otherwise, it's completely 100% on the site moderators who are volunteers, doing this for $0, with very little thanks from anyone usually.

It's tough enough keeping the political BS out of a site that has had a policy against it for 15+ years. It's darned near impossible to do that on a site that has allowed it and decides to stop allowing it. Best case, the mods are going to get an earful from a bunch of members here who feel they've been censored or disenfranchised somehow.

While personally I'd be happy if any/all political discussions were removed from this site, I know it's going to be triple overtime for the mods, and I'm not sure I'd wish that on them. Just be aware of what you're asking for here, and what the ramifications are.
If what you are saying is true then it sounds like the moderators have the power to step in and shut the political threads down.

Again, the role of moderators should be moderation. I am confident most members would like to see politics gone from this site. A handful of members are literally ripping this forum apart...

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When Al set up the site over 20 years ago he created OT as sort of a dumping ground for controversial subjects. It was not to be moderated except for extreme situations.

I don鈥檛 think it was imagined then it would evolve, or should I say regress, to what it has become.

While I don鈥檛 believe it has a place on TC I also am not sure the Mods have the latitude to decide which topics are acceptable or not without established guidelines.

We can and do edit and/or delete threads and posts that violate the rules. Problem is although we may dislike having to put up with it we have limited authority as the participants are not breaking any rules.

That said, you previously had to opt in. This was so the rest of the members not interested in OT would not be subjected to it. Due to site platform changes this is not the case and possibly opens OT to the established moderation guidelines that apply to all topics on TC. Short list - no politics, religious, violence, street racing etc. and of course showing disrespect to other member, which seems to be the rule as oppessed to the exception in OT.

Perhaps if the other mods agree we can, based on the authority, and more importantly, the responsibility we have moderate all forums to ensure compliance with the rules.
 

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When Al set up the site over 20 years ago he created OT as sort of a dumping ground for controversial subjects. It was not to be moderated except for extreme situations.

I don鈥檛 think it was imagined then it would evolve, or should I say regress, to what it has become.

While I don鈥檛 believe it has a place on TC I also am not sure the Mods have the latitude to decide which topics are acceptable or not without established guidelines.

We can and do edit and/or delete threads and posts that violate the rules. Problem is although we may dislike having to put up with it we have limited authority as the participants are not breaking any rules.

That said, you previously had to opt in. This was so the rest of the members not interested in OT would not be subjected to it. Due to site platform changes this is not the case and possibly opens OT to the established moderation guidelines that apply to all topics on TC. Short list - no politics, religious, violence, street racing etc. and of course showing disrespect to other member, which seems to be the rule as oppessed to the exception in OT.

Perhaps if the other mods agree we can, based on the authority, and more importantly, the responsibility we have moderate all forums to ensure compliance with the rules.
It seems to me that the worst aspects of OT are the personal attacks. Sadly, I think some of the folks who post in OT might stop if they were no longer allowed to insult other members. Just sayin . . .
 

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I agree.
 

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Don, are you offended that the post listings come up in your feed (like clicking on new posts) or are you offended by the posts after you click and open the thread? I see the posts but never click on them.

Hasn't this been discussed before and it鈥檚 known that the current format doesn鈥檛 allow any changes?
 

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Don, are you offended that the post listings come up in your feed (like clicking on new posts) or are you offended by the posts after you click and open the thread? I see the posts but never click on them.

Hasn't this been discussed before and it鈥檚 known that the current format doesn鈥檛 allow any changes?
I am offended when a member of this forum threatens to shoot another member in multiple posts and isn鈥檛 banned. This is just wrong. WTF does this sort of post have to do with Camaros? Is this really who we are? Do we really want this sort of behavior on our forum? Is this what we want new members and visitors to see?

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I am offended when a member of this forum threatens to shoot another member in multiple posts and isn鈥檛 banned. This is just wrong. WTF does this sort of post have to do with Camaros? Is this really who we are? Do we really want this sort of behavior on our forum? Is this what we want new members and visitors to see?

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when did that happen, man I take one weekend off!!! I missed it so actually not offended by it but kinda sounds slightly illegal...........threatening to shoot someone I mean
 

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when did that happen, man I take one weekend off!!! I missed it so actually not offended by it but kinda sounds slightly illegal...........threatening to shoot someone I mean
It was a week or so ago. It was disturbing. Guys get behind a keyboard and think they are invincible...
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As a member for many years and a Camaro owner, several, I come here, and still do for the technical exchanges. I enjoy the learning and the fellowship. This forum should all be about learning, teaching, and fun. Once it gets off track, I just don't click on any given post. What happened to being respectful or following the guidelines? I agree, we need to all help to filter out the caca that we see. Report out the unnecessary posts and call these idiots out. BTW, the First Amendment may not apply here. It's a site you have joined to agree to rules. (Oh No, I just got political!)
 

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I am fairly new here and find this Camaro forum is wandering on and off the road lately regarding Camaro help with some of these posts I have reading and some other sorted of related but not that helpful subjects. I don't go to the OT forum as I don't like facebook type trash. However Bench Racing seems to be getting some controversial posts also. I now skip those after reading a couple posts in them and find them useless.

Like most new members, I feel intimidated by the knowledge of others who have been here for quite a while have and feel my input would likely be dismissed. I have taken to not post much with some of the responses I have seen as I am fairly new on the working on a Camaro. I read the new updated list and decide if any of the subjects are possibly helpful. If not, I skip them (and I have been skipping a lot lately). And no, I am not a paid member. I wanted to see if it was worth paying for the privileges first. Right now, the answer is I will keep evaluating the forum.

I am not a young guy (maybe 68 is young), who bought a Camaro and can't work on it or figure out where to get the right info. I do a bunch of Google searches and sometimes the search may bring me to this forum for the info.

If you want to know my Chevy experience, keep reading below.

Current vehicles: 2018 Silverado Z71, 2020 Malibu, 68 Camaro SS clone, 66 Corvair Coupe, 66 Corvair 4 door and 64 Corvair Greenbrier 6 door van. (last 2 are up for sale on facebook)

I don't know much on the Camaro except what I read on the Internet and working on my Camaro since 2017. My Camaro is a good looking car, but had poor maintenance and shoddy fixes in its history. I am doing a fairly complete mechanical restoration, new electrics and new interior. However, having worked on my 3 Corvairs since starting with them in 2009, I have enhanced my mechanical & electrical expertise on old cars.

My past is as follows. I worked on my Dad's full size Chevy cars, buses & trucks in the 60s, then the next 13 years with USMC Aviation with different aircraft doing mechanics and electrical (71-85). Then finally 32 years at Gulfstream Aerospace as an Aircraft Technical Representative helping operators troubleshoot issues with several models of the aircraft, where I finally retired in 2016. That experience, along with driving/repairing numerous old Chevys, Fords and Dodges I could afford from 1973 to 1999, gives me a lot of info. But none with the Camaro, except what I have learned repairing my 68 Camaro coupe. I have some V8, but mostly 6 cylinder engine experience.

But I feel DjD spoke quite well about the forum and how it should be handled by members. His post was back in 2009. Maybe the forum can turn back the clock to where it seems like it was maybe more of a Camaro forum. Here is a link to DjD's post.

Something some of you need to read! | Team Camaro Tech (camaros.net)

Sorry about the long post but knowing me a little better, you might just understand my current feelings on the forum. Helpful forum yes, but not as much as was expected.

Just my 2 cents (and I don't expect any change back). LOL.

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I agree with Al. I come here for the tech side side of things mostly. Many times the answers are here, and as expected, the human element creeps in and in 5 posts you get one answer, and in 5 other, you get the opposite. Not a bad thing, it makes you think and dig deeper. All in all, I don't care much for political commentary, although I am interested in politics, I keep it to the family. We all generally agree....and we all like muscle cars and hot rods, and the Euro fast cars, just for fun. I'm here for the technical and historical data and news.

Let's keep these cars on the road!
 

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Don, I ignore the political posts. That kind of stuff is everywhere these days. Not saying it is right, it is what it is. If a member threatened someone that鈥檚 messed up. Was it brought up to the Mods? If someone did that, they should be banned.
 

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Yes. We dealt with and resovled the situation. We don't moderate OT except in extreme cases. The thread was cleaned up and the Bad Actors warned.

It's more or less a Free For All in OT enter at your own risk and don't start complaining if your feelings get hurt. Used to need to Opt in but that changed with the new platform. We are seeing if that can be reinstituted.

Best advice at this time is if you don't want to see it save your click. Sorta like changing the channel in the TV. Nobody is forcing you to look.
 

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Off Topic used to be hidden unless you opted into seeing it. Now thats not the case. Cant they just delete that Topic and get rid of it. Seems simple to me.

A lot of nonsense posts here lately and Im not talking about the off topic forum. On one day these nonsense posts took up my whole screen!
Never seen anything like it
 
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