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Partly because i'm a little responsible for its condition, and I like near impossible projects I guess. It has been in a friends shop since the early 80s. The car's floor was gone but it had good inner quarter pieces and rear torsion bar chassis/ deck filler. I was building another 67 camaro convert at that time that was solid everywhere else, so I cut the needed pieces off of this one. This would have been about 1985 or so. About two years ago I remembered the poor thing, and called my friend and asked if he still had it, and made a deal on the remains. Then it took two years to actually get with my friend to actually get the car out. It was buried in junk, had a wall built behind it, and other cars blocking it in. The car is bad, really bad, (worse than I remembered !) but at least is an RS,V8 convert, has its vin intact, and is pretty complete. It would not be worth paying a pro restoration shop to fix it, but i've built a few coupe and convert 67s, so we'll see what happens!


I already have a pair of convert full quarters and inner pieces, good doors, decklid, subframe with discs, convertible top frame, and RS front end parts. So here I go...first step will be to get whats left on the jig so I can get the rotten floor out. The rockers are solid, as is most of the cowl area, so the plan is a new floor, trunk pan, frame rails, inner and outer wheel tubs, etc. I'm not expecting a walk in the park, there is very little to go off of other that the rockers for measurements. I'll probably be begging for dimensions off of other converts. As you can see the right side inner quarter is off the car, but I do have it at least. stay tuned as they say.....
 

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:eek:! Suddenly, I feel a lot better about my wreck!!:D Good luck. Let me know if you need any inner quarter dimensions/measurements. My car is a 68 convertible and is completely apart, just about. I take pics too if needed. Let me know and have fun. It will be some accomplishment.
Tim, I took a look at your thread today and it looks like our cars need or needed almost the same repairs. You're making some good progress though! I'll have to try to step it up and catch up with you, then we can compare notes:thumbsup:
 

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Not so sure about moving fast now Tim! Wow, I raised mine up off the trailer its sitting on today in preparation to move it to the cart and got a bit of a sinking sensation when I saw the front of the rockers forward of the doors. They look great until just below the kick panel area forward of the doors. I'm wondering if I could blast and repair that area of the rockers with new steel welded in, or if I really need to axe the whole rocker assembly. I was hoping i'd not have to replace those, as they are holding most of the car together. The floor from about the center of the shift tunnel back is weak or missing, and the frame rails are crumbling. It's going to be a challenge for sure! There's really nothing to build off of if I take the rockers out now. My plan all along has been to get the full floor in place against the rockers and then build from there with the missing RH inner quarter going back on next, but I may have to revise that now..Half of the fun is the head scratching and figuring though!
 

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Got the cart waiting.:thumbsup:..I could use that inner quarter to hinge pillar measurement...I'm curious to see if the remaining LH side is still where it should be. I could also use the measurement from inner quarter across to the other inner quarter, I'd like to get that RH inner quarter back on the car, and then start the bracing process, At this point it looks like I won't have much more than the cowl and two rockers on the cart!
 

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Thanks Jeff! :beers: I just got caught up reading this thread and noticed your post too. :cool: Sometimes I think-- Why didn't I look for a cleaner car to start with?... too late now.:D and NOW-- it's clean!:yes:

Can't wait to see the '67 RS get back into shape again. This build should be another cool one to watch.:yes: I would LOVE to tackle a convertible project like this one too! Looks like fun!
Hey Todd , I've enjoyed your posts also,...MS isn't too far away from FL and I can always use an extra pair of hands:D

Believe me I wonder why I tackle things like this...especially after watching my neighbor unload a brand new 67 Camaro convertible Dynacorn body...But where's the fun in that? Plus he started with a $14K bare shell, before buying everything else you need to make a car....gulp! and I think he's at the 80 grand mark now!
 

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80k? wow! Now I don't feel too badly about what I have shelled out so far. :) It must be incredible though...:yes:

Helping hands would be nice.:) I should've been done with mine already... too many delays and forks in the road for me. I like to work on it continuously-- day after day... until it's done. That's my style. Frustrating me that it's on and off on and off.... I guess that's why they call it a hobby. :(
Life does have a way of getting in the way of hobbies, and to make it worse I have way too many hobbies, and more than one project vehicle. I had plans to continue the teardown on the 67 this weekend, until my wife reminded me of a party this Friday for my 12 year old son and his buddies, (and their parents,) which involves a staggering list of honeydoos for me inside and out...That's life though!
 

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Thanks for the links, The cowl, firewall and rockers have the usual rust issues but are overall strong and intact, and right now i'm inclined to save them. I was tempted to just dive in and replace everything but the windshield frame and upper cowl, but being a 'vert, I don't want to get to the point of no return with nothing original to build from, the rockers are the foundation at this point. The issue with them are some holes under the kick panel on the inners only. My cart/jig does support the rockers and extends all the way the end of the rear frame rails, but I would not call it a true jig, (yet), Its in need of additional mounting points for the rear frame rails especially. I'm going to be looking at some of the jigs and carts i've seen posted here for ideas, and modify mine as needed.

It WILL be a big project, for sure.
 

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Thanks, Wish I had the room, I'd probably pick that one as a project up to build if I wasn't about to be knee deep in this one. As far as parts I already have a good subframe, rear end, etc..
 

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Thanks!...That will be a BIG help...I spent last night getting the rotted floor removed. I left the floor at the seat platforms forward to the cowl in place to hold the rockers where they need to be, but everything else is out. List of sheetmetal is growing as a few braces and other panels I thought would be salvageable are not. About the only thing rearward that may be useable is the RS tailpanel, and rear seat support, and I wonder if they are worth the effort to reuse. A little scary at this point!..
 

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Well, It's on the cart....for better or worse!. I bought the cart/jig off craigslist for $220.00, and i'm pretty happy with it. It rolls easily on the big casters. I have to add a few supports, but its a great start. I was surprised how heavy this little bit of camaro is! I started removing the rot last night, was disappointed to find the braces on the floorpan unique to converts are toast, thought I would be able to remove and reuse those, but that means less parts to clean I guess. Not a big surprise really. really the only thing reusable rearward was the rear seat support, even both the leaf springs were broken at the eyes. To be honest, i'd probably chicken out if I didn't already have a good disc subframe, another 10 bolt, nice doors, decklid, SS hood, top frame and all the RS stuff, plus new quarters and inner structure sitting in boxes. So i still need to order from Bob: Full floor, full trunk, drop downs, tailpan inner and outer, inner rockers, frame rails, convert floor braces, wheel houses, toe boards, one seat support, Lower firewall subframe supports, torque boxes, RS fenders LH and RH, header panel, front wheelhouses, core support...and counting!

Still on the fence wondering if I should do a new firewall or replace the toe boards and subframe mounts on the old one. I hate to lose the clearly stamped hidden vin by the heater. Its not a rare car I realize, but i'd like to retain the vins anyway.

Not much to look at!


 

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Don't forget about the glove box door that looks like it fits correctly. Now get the rest of the car fit up like that and you will be finished.
I do admire your skills and guts to take on a project like this.
Yes, I'm leaving the glovebox door and steering wheel in place to give me the illusion that I have an actual car here. :D
 

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A minor update...I've been busy removing what few parts were left in the car (radio, steering column, wiring, heater assembly, etc) in anticipation of the truckload of parts coming from Belair Bob. Found a massive squirrel nest above the glove compartment full of old acorns and padding from the seats..thankfully no squirrels. Got the RH lower inner quarter patch panel in, so began test fitting and tacking it in, its only made for a coupe, so some modifications are required. Gas bottle was empty...naturally, so switched over to flux core for a few tacks to hold it while I shaped it to fit the areas if was off. I'll clean it up and weld it when I get my bottle filled. I had to strategically cut the piece where the stamping was most correct. Also checked various dimensions from rocker to rocker and also the door jams, and found surprisingly, what remains of the body is still within specs, good!


Now I have the firewall mostly peeled away, not removing it completely until I have the new lower firewall in hand. I'll tackle replacing the inner rockers next, I don't really no what to expect with those, they aren't in hand yet and i'm told they too will require some modification to fit a convertible. I got a few small parts in today, but not the big order i'm waiting on with the firewall, floorpan, frame rails..etc. I'm a little apprehensive about the rear structure since it was mostly MIA when I drug the remains home, the issue of getting the frame rails mounted correctly is my biggest concern, but I do have a buddy's convertible nearby for comparison and measurements. Hopefully the floor, trunkpan, and frame rails are made correctly and the jig will do the rest. I still have a lot of missing pieces to locate, a LH lower door hinge, hood hinges, convertible rear seat and rear arm rest panels, etc...If anyone has some good used 67 parts to unload, feel free to PM what you have for sale.
 

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Thanks, In my case, i'm not sure if its talent or stupidity. anyway, no accolades until the car is in one piece again...It could go either way! Just found out the rest of my parts will arrive Feb 2, can't wait to get to the meat of things...
 

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Another update...Started blasting "Fragment" bright and early today. I'm not the master blaster, but here goes!....


Didn't think it would take all day with this little bit of a camaro left



300 pounds of sand later....all nice and bare metal....I tacked the rockers to the cart so they could not move around before removing what was left of the old floor and the extra bracing the converts have, I bought all of that new, figuring it would be a pain to try to re-use the old braces. Turns out they were too rusty anyway. I removed a few sections of inner rocker on both sides and was relieved to see they were solid inside with just surface rust. I blasted the insides, and plan to coat the insides with eastwood's paint for inside frame rails. Hopefully it does what its supposted to - Kill any unreachable rusty areas and protect against rusting in the future.. I'm using the new inner rockers to replace the sections I cut out...Of course it would have been ideal to replace the whole rockers, but the outers were not rusty, and I was not comfortable taking the car down any further, (not that I AM comfortable with were it is now !!) Now onward to the next phase, Actually putting new pieces on!!



Its supported along the rockers at the moment, not very much weight either so nothing has moved dimension wise. Still i'll be glad to get the new firewall in place and back resting on the subframe mounts, then I can recheck dimensions.




Hopefully the set of pictures will show more of an actual car coming together!
 

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Made some good progress, today was Mardi gras and I had no desire to get in the midde of the parades, so I stayed home and worked all day..until 2:00 AM actually!..Finished rebuilding the lower cowl around where the fender bolts from the bottom, Tulip panels..DONE...Lower firewall DONE....and the biggest pain so far..Inner rockers...DONE! It took a lot of time to open the rockers up, blast, and replace the inners, mostly because the don't sell just the inner rockers for a convertible. The coupe pieces require slicing and dicing to work, but in the end it worked out great. While I had them open I decided to slide in a thick wall rectangular tube on each side, that extends the full length of the rockers. I tied them in with heavy welds along the lenght of the tube.....for extra strength. I think the 20 pounds or so per side will be worth it.






Finally I was able to do a test fit on the floorpan, kind of a tense moment because I didn't know how well it would fit after all the inner rocker work...anyway, it's going to fit great once I grind a few welds on the inner rockers and everything seems to line up fine along the sides and firewall...I pulled it back for now to finish grinding, maybe tomorrow, and then I can put it back for good them. I'm going to try my big 220v spot welder for the floorpan to rocker welds and see how it does, its a heavy sucker, thats for sure. I fought my Miller Mig welder all day with wirefeed problems..finally tried a .030 tip with the .023 wire, and it works great now, probably not correct I know, but whatever..it had been a long day and I wanted to get done. Still have to finish the welds on the firewall, but that's no problem...right now, i'm tired!



Anxious to get on to the rear frame rails and back deck structure....the major worry since it was all trashed and i'm putting in all new repop parts....
 

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Don, unfortunately I didn't take any pics, but there's actually a good bit of room with the inner rockers off. I doubt my car will ever see rain, but nothing is blocked inside...I also coated the insides with Eastwoods frame rail paint.
 

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Working out a bunch of issues...but it's starting to look not quite so hopeless!
I was happy with the results of inner rocker repairs, and the fit of the new firewall so began welding them all in for keeps.


All the dimensions are actually pretty close so far. Its been like trying to put all the pieces of a puzzle in at the same time, because other than the rockers and the left side inner quarter I didn't have the luxury of an intact old body to pull measurements from... no real reference points other than my my jig, which is really more of a body cart. I have the AIM, but It would have been great to have been able to first mount another complete body on it and add more locating points, at least the forward locating holes in rear frame rails. It just makes for slow going ... I'm feeling a little better but I'm not welding anything solid yet!!


I'm having a minor problem (I hope) with the new lower valance below the tailpan. It almost seems like my framerails are too short...but I didn't spend a lot of time on it, only a quick test fit, and I'm not into another 2 A.M. marathon tonight..
My new quarters are in storage...kind of glad because I know I wouldn't be able to sleep until I had at least clamped them on...who knows what I'll run into there!!

 

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Thanks Tim, and fear not..still a mountain of work ahead, The next hurdle will be the inner and outer quarters, and I expect there to be much hair pulling there. I will have to have the inner bracing somewhat in position before I can mount the outers. I think I will probably just hang the doors and work out the quarter positioning that way, but the inner bracing height from bottom edge to trunk pan may be a useful dimension. I also hope that the quarters will meet the taillight panel at the right height and length.....so many ways to go wrong here...AHHHGGG!
 
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