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I purchased a 1969 Camaro 2 years ago with a 400 SBC that was supposedly dyno'd at 580 HP NA. The previous owner took it to the drag strip once and said he ran a low 11.xx 1/4 mile time with poor 60' times. The engine was built around 2005 and has ~ 1500 miles of which I put 750 miles on it myself. I would like to go with a LS based engine that would be a more streetable setup. The components to build this engine without machining or labor would cost ~$16,800 today. I am thinking about selling the complete engine air cleaner to oil pan, accessories to flexplate for $8500. Does this sound reasonable?

Disclaimer: The parts listed below is a close approximation of the BOM but may not be the exact part numbers.

Part No.DescriptionQty.Unit PriceTotal
84031/21World Products Motown Cast Iron Block 4.125" Bore1$3,039.18$3,039.18
Main bearings1$75.00$75.00
Melling oil pump & pickup1$60.00$60.00
4-400-375-6000Scat 4340 Forged Crank1$694.99$694.99
CRS6000B3DEagle 6.000" 'ESP' H Beam Connecting 4340 Forged Rods with ARP 8740 Rod bolts1$449.00$449.00
Rod bearings1$75.00$75.00
231319SSRP Pistons, 4032 Forged Aluminum, 4.125"Bore, +16cc inverted dome pistions, 1.125" Compression height1$716.99$716.99
272-RHIsky Red Zone Roller lifters, set of 161$734.99$734.99
12-823-14Comp Cams, Mechanical Roller 0.900" base circle Duration @0.050 252/258 0.4210"/0.4200" 106 Degree LSA1$529.95$529.95
Cam bearings1$30.00$30.00
Timing Chain1$100.00$100.00
1604-16Comp Cams Roller Rockers 1.52, Set of 81$439.95$439.95
1805-8Comp Cams Roller Rockers 1.60, Set of 81$287.95$287.95
stud girdles1
Pushrods1$150.00$150.00
1008102Brodix Track 1 215 heads, 2.08"/1.60"1$2,842.18$2,842.18
134-3601ARP head bolts1$85.00$85.00
1406Fel-Pro exhaust gaskets1$23.99$23.99
1004Fel-pro head gaskets1$46.99$46.99
1206Felpro Intake gaskets1$20.99$20.99
2975Edelbrock Victor Jr. Intake1$392.95$392.95
85551MSD Pro Billet SBC Distributor1$316.76$316.76
8202MSD Blaster II Coil1$59.38$59.38
6425MSD 6AL1$305.06$305.06
31189MSD 8.5mm Super Conductor Plug wires1$120.56$120.56
AR-3934Autolite Spark plugs8$5.99$47.92
9-221Cloye's Two piece Timing Chain Cover1$135.99$135.99
9483Trans-dapt Aluminum Water pump pulley1$83.99$83.99
8811Edelbrock water pump1$298.95$298.95
SS415-1ALSuper Sucker 1" Carb spacer1$117.99$117.99
6095AED Braided fuel line kit1$73.99$73.99
AED 4150 Carb 750HO1$639.95$639.95
Sum-G1327Summit dual return spring kit carb1$13.13$13.13
6057Trans-dapt crank pulley1$106.99$106.99
Milodon Deep oil pan1$300.00$300.00
917781ATI Super Damper1$303.24$303.24
10185064Chevrolet Cast valve covers ??1$859.40$859.40
2131-1HKRHooker Super Comp longtube ceramic coated1$937.76$937.76
Starter1$150.00$150.00
6059Alternator Pulley1$57.99$57.99
Alternator1$150.00$150.00
20120March Alternator Mount kit1$94.99$94.99
power steering pump1$150.00$150.00
8934PS pump pulley1$72.99$72.99
20145Power Steering Mount kit1$100.99$100.99
230106Earl's inline fuel filter, 6AN 35 micron1$40.19$40.19
12-803Holley Fuel Pressure Regulator1$37.07$37.07
15632Aeromotive fuel gauge 1-1/2", 15 psi1$42.70$42.70
661960Russell -6AN cap1$5.99$5.99
66-3040K&N Air filter1$199.95$199.95
85-3549K&N Air filter base1$43.95$43.95
670340Russell Fuel pressure takeoff adapter1$15.99$15.99
3.1117Energy suspension motor mounts1$54.71$54.71
Moroso Chrome crankcase air breather1$29.99$29.99
SFI Flexplate1$75.00$75.00
Total$16,838.66



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/\ I have to agree. I am in no way bashing what you have, that is a BA engine and I would love to own it.

But here are some things to consider. Any used engine is always a big gamble on the buyers side. Your engine is nearly 20 years old, there may be some more modern components available today. Similar horsepower can be purchased brand new, carb to oil pan in the 8-9K range from well known builders. That is a pretty radical setup for a driver. Modern platforms can offer that power in a more driver friendly package and most buyers are doing excatly what you are doing.

Your parts list is great. You may find a buyer that is looking for exactly what you have. Some things that may help with the sale. Documantation of the build, IMO without that you take a big hit in value. A video of it running. Maybe pop a valve cover and get some internal pictures. Maybe get one of those inspection cameras and get pictures and video of inside the cylinders. Are you willing to ship?

And where are you located? Your market could have an impact on the value and potential buyer pool. You probably already know all of this...
 

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With parts going up and availability issues you might get what you’re asking.
 

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$8500 for a used SBC is a bit of a stretch for me.

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Used SBCs is a small market. A dyno sheet and oil analysis might help you sell it. You will probably be sitting on it for a while unless it's priced to sell quick.

For comparison, a 540hp blueprint engines SBC 427 is $9500. It doesn't have a front drive system like yours but it's new with a great warrant and ready to run.
 

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Another thing, this engine has angle plug heads (nice ones at that). In my group it is understood there is no advantage to having angle plug heads, new aluminum straight plug heads locate the spark at the same location in the combustion chamber. In my experience, angle plug heads are more difficult to fit headers and change plugs.

I know it sounds picky, but buyers will be picky.
 

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Used SBCs is a small market. A dyno sheet and oil analysis might help you sell it. You will probably be sitting on it for a while unless it's priced to sell quick.

For comparison, a 540hp blueprint engines SBC 427 is $9500. It doesn't have a front drive system like yours but it's new with a great warrant and ready to run.
Lots of China parts on those tho correct ?
I'm kinda considering selling my similar Dart SHP 421" sbc to a friend, built locally by a very reputable race shop all quality parts every nut and bolt bought by me, I was thinking $5k
 

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Lots of China parts on those tho correct ?
I'm kinda considering selling my similar Dart SHP 421" sbc to a friend, built locally by a very reputable race shop all quality parts every nut and bolt bought by me, I was thinking $5k
I think they make a lot of their own parts. Blocks I know they do, they may make pistons and cranks and heads too now. With a 30 month 50K mile warranty they are very confident in their builds, and I would be too.

$5k is probably a good target but it really depends on finding the right buyer which could take a while. At that price for something to drive to car shows and play around on weekends, it's a better deal than converting to an LS probably for more shoppers.
 

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I think they make a lot of their own parts. Blocks I know they do, they may make pistons and cranks and heads too now. With a 30 month 50K mile warranty they are very confident in their builds, and I would be too.

$5k is probably a good target but it really depends on finding the right buyer which could take a while. At that price for something to drive to car shows and play around on weekends, it's a better deal than converting to an LS probably for more shoppers.
You'll make more money taking it all apart and piecing it all out. I've been there.
 

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I don't think you're asking price is outlandish, depending on your demographics and the market demand in that area, it should have an effect on whether it will sell sooner or later. If you need the money to help fund the other engine you'll probably take a hit otherwise if it's not burning a hole on your pocket and can hold onto to it for a while a right buyer will come along. Take a date coded video on your phone with it running and even a spirited drive video. Took a few months but I sold a engine and transmission in late winter with 2 brothers coming over wanting a compression check and valve cover removal to see the Comp roller rockers, then a drive. They had cash in hand and a deal was struck.
 

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David,
I dont know what to say about the price but I would be more inclined to change the camshaft and install EFI and be done with it. As near as I can tell from the part numbers its only about 10 to 1 compression which is perfect for the street. Plus you already have all of the bolt on stuff, headers, brackets etc etc etc. Looks like a really nice engine and the car is all set up for it. I know everyone seems to want to go LS but in this case it does not make sense. You could get a smaller solid roller cam or go hydraulic roller if you prefer. Add Holley EFI and drive it forever :) :)

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David,
I dont know what to say about the price but I would be more inclined to change the camshaft and install EFI and be done with it. As near as I can tell from the part numbers its only about 10 to 1 compression which is perfect for the street. Plus you already have all of the bolt on stuff, headers, brackets etc etc etc. Looks like a really nice engine and the car is all set up for it. I know everyone seems to want to go LS but in this case it does not make sense. You could get a smaller solid roller cam or go hydraulic roller if you prefer. Add Holley EFI and drive it forever :) :)

Just my opinion,
I can 2nd the EFI. I got EFI on my car and i no longer had all these issues with carb in different spots on the throttle pedal depending on where i was driving/how i was driving. I was so over that.
 

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Thanks , for all the great feedback. Funny thing is I originally thought $6000-$6500 listing price until I tried to figure out what to list it for and try to sell it. Then when I figured out how much it would cost to just by the parts, I felt like hey maybe it would be worth 50% but I keep finding myself on the fence of putting fuel injection and cam on this engine which is loaded with good parts or trading/purchasing for a less hp LS engine. Then there is all the brackets, oil pan, headers and maybe a cam, LS7 lifters, trunion upgrade, AFM delete, lifter trays, programming computer or Holley system. I took it for a spin this weekend and the throttle response is awesome. Still on the fence but again all great input.

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I think the price is a bit high, maybe $6,500 might be closer, but that's dependant on you having the receipts from the original builder, and the reputation of that builder and even a letter from the builder saying they did it. I can't tell you how many times I've bought something where the owner says, the guy I bought if from said.......... At least you've driven it and have a good feel for how it performs and if it heats up or burns oil etc. For $8500 I'd be considering a crate engine of something simlilar that comes with a 2 or 3 year warranty.
 
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