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In the beginning of November I hired a chassis guy to install my sub-frame connectors and roll bar. He said he could start in 3 weeks. Three weeks later I call him and ask him to return my call and tell me if he is ready to do my job. No return call. A week later I call him again and he asks where I was - he expected me the previous weekend. So I bring the car to him on saturday December 8. He states that he will begin in a couple days.

The following friday I stop in to see what has been done and give him a deposit he requested. He had done no work, claiming some emergencies had come up, but that he would be starting in a couple days

Just before X-mas I call to check on things and he tells me he has been busy, but will be starting in the next couple days (see a pattern emerging here.)

On sunday December 30 I stop in to check on the car. He tells me this is the Lord's day and that he does no work and that he doesn't entertain customers on the Lord's day. I can grant him that, except that he had done some work for someone else I know on a sunday less than a month before. He said I should come back the next day, but there was nothing to see since he hadn't started the job yet. He also stated that I was getting to be pain in the ***.

The following day, I called him and left a message stating that since he seemed to be rather busy and couldn't get to my job at that time, that I would like to keep the car in my own garage until he could, providing me the opportunity to work on some other projects in the mean time. He called back and said that he couldn't do business with someone who didn't trust him and that he would rather return the deposit check and part company. He agreed to leave the car and roll cage material outside and to leave a check in the glove box.

I went and picked up the car and roll cage, but, of course, there was no check. I left him a message stating that he had "forgotten" to leave the check and that I expected it in the mail by the next saturday. He called me back the next day, the first, stating that he wanted to confirm the address and amount and that he would send out the check the next day.

It is now the 10th and no check has arrived. I am about to send out a registered letter, requesting the return of the money by the end of the month, otherwise I will initiate legal action (which means I take him to small claims court).

I am writing this as a form of venting. I guess I should have known better, but this guy's lack of ethics burns me up.

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Sounds like a typical lazy good for nothing rip off artist that needs a good butt kicking in court. Then I would tell everybody I know that this guy is not someone that you need to do business with.
Remember get everything in writing including when the project is to be started and completed. I have done this many times and if they won't sign it..take your business someplace else. Canceling the check is fine but I bet he has already spent the money.
 

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I checked with the bank and the checked cleared three days after I gave it to him, so he put it in the bank that day. At least he able to do some things promptly.

I have already lined up someone else that struck me as a lot more trustworthy. I have to admit that my gut feeling on the first guy was not good, but he came well recommended. I keeping re-learning not to override my gut feeling.

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That stinks, hope you get your money back. Guys that that shouldn't own a business!

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last year at this time it told me 6 months to get nothing done on my car,finally I picked it up and took to someone who was in bussiness to do work not just collect money.

I got my money back in about two weeks ,he was good about that I will say!

good luck!

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Remember, by him accepting the check (depositing into his account/cashing it)he has agreed to a contact to perform services which you didn't get. Take him to small claims court and get the money you are out for the deposit and your personal time that was wasted in getting it returned. This process will teach him a lesson not to do it again to someone else. I am sure this isn't his first time doing this. BTW, I had something similar happen to me and this was the route I went and it turned out well for me. Small claims court judges don’t take kindly to this kind business.
 

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Don't know about you guys, but we have a saying here that reads, "a paid musician doesn't give a good performance" or something like that. Good luck and be careful the next time...

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I'm a musician
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anyways haha..yea this happend to my dad when he got his "cool" carolla HA..okay...well there was an electrical problem i guess with it and the guy kept my dads car int he shop for liek a month and charged my dad like 2000 dollars..and he didnt even fix anything...the next day we took the car to this japanese guy and he just said it was a bad connection and didnt even charge us anything..haha my dad got ripped off....My cars better lol

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I realize its too late now, but anytime a business asks me for money up front for services that havent been provided yet, I walk away. I think that right there says enough. If they cant manage their money well enough that they cant do a job without an advance, then chances are they cant run a business very well either. I used to work in the auto body business. I only worked for 1 guy that requested customers to pay something up front. He did the same thing that your guy did...the money was spent in a few days and he might start working on the car 2-3 weeks later if he was bored. He was always broke...way behind on his paint and supply bills with the local paint companys. Bill collectors calling all the time, etc. What was really funny about the whole deal is that every tuesday evening, rather than working on something he had already been paid for, he was at his Amway motivational meetings
As an employee I got screwed too...I never did get paid all he owed me. I left within 4 weeks. I found out several months later that one of his customers that had already paid in full for a new paint job and some very minor body work, after several months and no progress on his car, went to the shop and stabbed the guy several times.
Sorry to ramble...I guess what I am trying to say is trust those gut instincts...more often than not they are right.
 

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Another point: If you have to pay up front for any service...pay by credit card. Most credit card companies will protect you from people like him. They credit your account and charge his account. Simple and easy.
If you the aggressive type..just go over to his shop and don't leave until he gives you the money...just sit in his waiting area or by his front door where customers go in and out and make sure everybody knows why your there. Just be careful not to set the guy off or do anything illegal. Our company has done this for collections and it usually works and drives the person you are collecting from crazy. It's funny to think...if somebody did this 50 years ago...you would get some of your buddies together and go down to his shop and beat the snot out of him until he paid you. That I would not recommend.


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Hmmmmmm... not good my friend, not good. I run my own business of repairing small engines, and I would never even think of asking for money up front. Anyway, that is not the issue. If you have to take it to court, you have a very good chance of winning becasue it was the other guy who initially decided that he didn't want to do business with you. So any claims he might make about "I was going to do the work" will be deemed as false. HH is the one who called off the project, it was HIS decision to quit, so he must return the payment. If he tells the judge that you were becoming annoying by always calling him, the judge will just tell him that if he had done the work in the first place, you wouldn't have had the need to hound him. It will all work out, and you would be doing others great justice by telling folks about your experience and saving them the grief of doing business with this guy.
 

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Had a similar experence with a machine shop here just recently. I didn't give any money up front but i got it in the end though. My engine parts were there for over two months before they got done. I would have to listen to every excuse in the book for the delays. Finally I went over there and fanned out cash to show him i was itching to pay and get my engine parts back. He was in a tight for money at the time and tried to as he put it "make things happen today but this is the worst engine i've ever tried to clean, balance etc". "It's just taking more time than usual on your stuff because it's so messed up". I finally got it back and double checked his clearancing and will have to say it's the worst job i've ever seen him do and two rods are tight enough you have to use a screwdriver and pry to get the side to side clearance. Yea i guess i rushed him. Heaven knows it takes two or three months to vat a block, bore and hone, balance crank and rods, install pistons onto rods. I later found out he has a drug problem so that explains it. Now i guess there are no machine shops in Huntsville AL I trust to do business with!! Been [email protected]$#ed by them all i guess.
 

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Another hint that may help a lot of us in this Cars hobbie. Always try & try, to have a price set on the work to be performed in advance. It has worked for me a lot of times. If the price have to be changed cause of any sircumstances, then it's going to be closer to what you had quoted. For example, I asked for a muffler replacement in my daily driver and the guy stated $29, then I asked it to be relocated a little bit up. The price went up to $35 but if I forgot to ask for a price in the begining, the situation would be totally different. Oh another hint that I always enforce to my Father & brother, "NEVER" say the price is right or is better than in another place, for a part you have purshased. Next time around it will be higher to you or other fellow enthusiast... I tell you cause I have worked at mechanic shops and auto parts before and I think the situation isn't going to be too much different overthere.


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I have to admit the gut feeling is a good thing to go by. Case in point: Last October I contacted a local engine shop to build a big block for me. I gave the specs I was looking for and prices that I could get parts for. The shop owner said that it sounded like a good engine combo and that we needed to sit down & draw up all the details. I asked him up front what the cost would be for the machine work & his response was that he had to do some "figuring" and he would get back with me. Well I took time off on a couple of occasions to discuss this matter with him (about 1hr drive from my home)each time getting the "sorry I have been so busy I have not been able to get around to it yet". And this was just for the price of the engine work! Needless to say by the time December rolled around I gave up on him. I broke down called Scoggin-Dickey and bought my 502/560hp motor. It should be in the terminal next Monday ready for pick up
I tell you what when I told the shop owner I decided to take my business else where he was a little upset and told me he could have given me a better deal. Yea maybe he could have but I would have had to wait a year and do a lot of calling and dropping by to "check" on him in the process... I am glad I went with my gut on that one. Hope it all works out for you though, keep us posted.
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The "dumb blonde" attitude is also a good way to check if a guy is on the level or not. Just act as though you know nothing about the operation that is about to be done and see how much B.S. you get fed. If you are given correct info and pricing according to your hidden knowledge, then you know you are dealing with a fairly honest business man. If, on the other hand, you are fed stories that you KNOW are phoney, then it is safe to assume that everything else the guy throws at you will also be underhanded.
 

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Last Friday I called the guy one more time. To my surprise he answered the phone. I ask him where the money was. He said that he had the check in a stamped envelope right in front of him and that it would go out in that days mail. He said that he had a number of bills to pay and that he wanted to make sure that there was enough money in the account before he sent me my check, blah, blah, blah with violin playing in the background. I told him that I really hoped the check would be in the mail, otherwise things could get ugly.

Expecting that he was as believable this time as he was in the past, on saturday I sent him a certified, return receipt letter demanding the money or that I would initiate legal action. While I was off at the post office, my wife signed for a registered letter from him with the check in it. The envelope from him did not have a regular stamp on it, only the registerd stamp from the post office - this leaves me to believe the letter was not all ready and stamped like he said, but that he did it when I called and then went to the post office.

I immediately rushed off to the bank to deposit the check and now will wait to see that it actually clears. Hopefully, this matter is now resolved. In the future I will endeavor not to override my gut feelings.

Thanks for the input/support. I will print the name of the outfit if the check clears or when I get the money back through legal action.

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speaking of getting ripped off, there was an email circulating recently that was hilarious. a dj called this gal who had her car in the shop and talked her into fluid for her headlights, remounting her tires that were on the wrong side, 2 transmissions and a $70 lighter.
 
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