Was this the ZL1 that is re-bodied? Was just on another site and it is on fire with talk of this car only having an original trim tag. The car sold for $290k. Reggie Jackson I think was bidding this up when it was struggling He was standing with the current owner, something smells with this
On the other site a former owner is saying he owned and raced thr origional #27 and that he parted it out:sad: Reggie did own this car and the current owner was with hi on stage and it looked like Reggie helped bid the car up. I hope the new owner knows the facts. Sorta funny Ron Pratte was quiet on this huh.
I am thinking that after Reggie spoke about the car and then bid on it, seems close to a "shill bidding" situation. Artificially raising the price. Hope I am totally wrong about my observation. Even if it was all above board, it just did not look good.
Well, I would not be surprised to see somone bid on a car they once owned. I have bought back and re sold cars I sold over the years many times. I had a car I called the Yo yo pace Car i sold and bought back, sold bought back, sold, bought back 3 times in a 4 year period. if you bought this car something horrible would happen in your life and the toy would have to go. Car was fine, actually a great car, just horrible luck for each owner in their business life. I warned the last owner that still has it, his buisness was booming last time I talked to him, LOL!
I know some big players that pass big time cars around. Sure Reggie could have been helping the bidding, but probably was thinking, sure, if it goes this low I will by it back for that much, where ever he stopped his bidding.
Issues and all it still has considerable value, just not a million dollars!
I have to wonder what the risk is of buying a known rebodied car. If the car was inspected by the authorities and the VIN tag and hidden VINs don't match, couldn't the car be confiscated? I don't think $290K is worth risking that situation.
I have to wonder what the risk is of buying a known rebodied car. If the car was inspected by the authorities and the VIN tag and hidden VINs don't match, couldn't the car be confiscated? I don't think $290K is worth risking that situation.
why would anyone in the world pay that money for that car? if the only thing original from a ZL1 is the vin, then thats what you would own an original ZL1, vin period.
I would rather have a real small block ss or rs. at least or anything real and original for that matter.
Sorry Frank, (respectfully) I don't buy that one. With Reggie having the collection he has, the market contacts and the capitol, I would be very surprised to learn that he did not know this was a rebody.
Chuck (the owner who parted it out) has been very vocal about this issue, and no one involved wanted to listen.
I am waiting for the thread that goes something like this:
"Bought a ZL1 at BJ, how can I tell if it is a rebody?"
Yes he did bid then retract it. I have never seen bj let a retraction happen. Also I would have to believe Reggie knew it was a rebody. HE USED TO OWN IT!!! Plus car was so hyped by BJ it also had a reggie front license plate on it.
shill bidding and a retraction to boot? wow, now that really is fishy. did he retract because he didnt want to end up with the car after no one else bid?
shill bidding and a retraction to boot? Wow, now that really is fishy. Did he retract because he didnt want to end up with the car after no one else bid?
What about the Yenko nova that was billed as a re-body !!!!! Did anyone catch the lame explanation. It went something like this :clonk: ................... If you had George Washingtons original ax .... the one he cut the apple tree down with .... and the handle broke .... and you got a replacement handle .... Isnt it still George Washington's "ORIGINAL" ax ??????
Rumor had it someone was advertising in 1985 or 1986 the vin number's in National Dragster.Guy was going after the Known ZL1 number cars at the time.Jim Brun who still has the components (Sheetmetal) from this car told me this.Guys last name was Sievers from Indiana. If Chuck Sharin needs Jim's number I have it.
Seriously though, if you use that same "George Washington's axe" arguement, you should be able to use this analogy...
I am sure that most people have seen an episode or two of "Antiques Roadshow" or at least heard about someone that had a highly desireable piece of funiture or antique and when they brought it to an appraiser, they had either cleaned it up too much or sanded and refinished it. The appraiser always says that "in its original condition, it would have brought 'X' money, but since you cleaned/refinished it, it has been DEVALUED to 'X' money."
The same should apply to the cars (legal issues aside) if they are trying to make the comparison. A rebody should never be worth close to the price of the original article.
Here we go again ..a zl1 that was rebodied because of rust, so they replaced the body and put all the tags on the new body!! Is it a real car or is it fake?? Dynacorn replacement body or a all new goodmark sheet metal body..where does one draw the line?? Swap bodies and retag them??if the car is not born with its not legit!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Sparky. There does need to be a clear line. Perhaps the fact that Reggie Jackson owned it and it has been in some big collections gives the car credability? Also the fact that all of the number matching parts, give it still more credit, but it is not an all original car and should be desribed as such. A clone or a tribute is very clear and this car should fit into a simular catagory. It seems to me like the car was being presented as an original car?
Does someone know if there is a post on the Green Z28 from last year? I missed it, so I am out of the loop. Thanks
Listen, I never said Reggie did not know it was a re body. I am sure he did. Everyone in those circles knows about the rebodies. they are fairly common on high end car that were raced, or rusted. Rebodies still have value, just not the value of a non redody or car with a clean past. That one brought a 1/3 of the value of a clean peigree car. I am saying Reggie may have actually been bidding and may have had legit interest at some figure,BUT, if he retracted the high bid, that does smell fishy. But I have trouble believing Barret would risk that.
Shill bidding is a big part of auction life, just go over to a none reserve auction and watch. But getting caught and retracting a bid.......................Never seen that before.
Listen, I never said Reggie did not know it was a re body. I am sure he did. Everyone in those circles knows about the rebodies. they are fairly common on high end car that were raced, or rusted. Rebodies still have value, just not the value of a non redody or car with a clean past. That one brought a 1/3 of the value of a clean peigree car. I am saying Reggie may have actually been bidding and may have had legit interest at some figure,BUT, if he retracted the high bid, that does smell fishy. But I have trouble believing Barret would risk that.
The *heavy* guy that Reggie is talking to when he bids/retracts just prior to the completion @ $290k was the owner/seller...the same guy CJ winked at after he said "don't sell it" when it was about to be hammered @ $200k...and the same gentleman Reggie can been seen conversing with on the podium behind CJ. A few of Reggie's cars have passed through this gentleman's hands in Iowa in the past...
This all brings to mind a couple of old dragsters I've known of. They had at one time been bent and were 'front-halved' than at another time had to be 'back-halved'. They were billed as the original car but only had a few original components (one was a bare chassis...new car to me).
Of course, I tend to believe the only part of a 'car' that makes it THAT CAR is the vin plate, sooooo......
After having my Z, i'm now very content to let others deal with 'numbers' and 'real' cars, and will someday buy a common,everyday '69' Malibu or base Camaro and build it the way I think it should be..........Hey,that's what we used to do , huh?!?
I was the person who parted out the #27 ZL-1 circa 1976-77.
Current #27 as seen on B/J 2009 was created, mfg with ONLY original VIN TAG. I am alledging with no proof on my part that B/J #27 ZL-1 has ZERO born with parts.
How can this be called a rebodied car?????? I call this a recreation, I call this a forgery, I call this deceit..............
Many/most of the # 27 Original sheetmetal, trim, interior remain in WASH state on a 69Camaro drag car I BUILT around 1978 with parts I removed from the ORIGINAL #27 ZL-1.
Current owner of WASH state 69 Camaro is Jim Bruns...........
I was the person who parted out the #27 ZL-1 circa 1976-77.
Current #27 as seen on B/J 2009 was created, mfg with ONLY original VIN TAG. I am alledging with no proof on my part that B/J #27 ZL-1 has ZERO born with parts.
How can this be called a rebodied car?????? I call this a recreation, I call this a forgery, I call this deceit..............
Many/most of the # 27 Original sheetmetal, trim, interior remain in WASH state on a 69Camaro drag car I BUILT around 1978 with parts I removed from the ORIGINAL #27 ZL-1.
Current owner of WASH state 69 Camaro is Jim Bruns...........
Hey Chuck thanks for clarifying. I guess at the time you parted it out you had no idea what that car could have been worth today? It sounds like you are saying that the only part on the BJ ZL1 off the original #27 car is the VIN tag? It sounds like this other drag car you are refering to is the more legit of the 2? Perhaps that car has more claim to the original car, even though there will never be another oginal car, unless you can track down the body shell with the other hidden VIN's in place. Not sure if it is possible, but it would be a great story to reunite the body and as many of the other parts as possible. With that said if someone could do it, my guess is that would make it a legit car? Obviously some real history here? Were you the original owner of #27?
I don't care if it's called a rebody, transferring the VIN tag to another body is a federal offense I believe. So the authorities could confiscate the car, couldn't they? The Yenko Deuce had the hidden VIN's cut out of the original body and welded into the current body so the authorities might have a tougher time with that one. Why somebody would even purchase a known rebody car is beyond me knowing the risks. And to have these illegal cars pass across the stage at an auction like this on tv is unreal.
Well, Mike Joy just said exactly what I thought, Reggie said if it was only going to go for that much, I will buy it back. Now the retracting the high bid thing..............I don't have it TIVO to watch.
Believe me, I am by no means defending Reggie. I have had my exposure to Reggie and let's just say he can be difficult at best to deal with. I also know how conspiracy theory's can start, and I try to see things with open eyes and a level head.
Well, Mike Joy just said exactly what I thought, Reggie said if it was only going to go for that much, I will buy it back. Now the retracting the high bid thing..............I don't have it TIVO to watch.
Believe me, I am by no means defending Reggie. I have had my exposure to Reggie and let's just say he can be difficult at best to deal with. I also know how conspiracy theory's can start, and I try to see things with open eyes and a level head.
Frank, I could go with that if he did not bid just once then retract his bid. that is the way it looked when I was watching. The owner leaned over to him and said something and then he withdrew his bid. Hey look, BJ auctions sets the rules and he is a VIP guest so I guess he and Craig J. can do what ever they like. It just looked terrible on TV. We are Camaro guys so when a Camaro like a ZL1 gets creamed on national TV with the Speed ding dongs calling it real and a piece of history it knocks all camaros this was a very shameless act at minimum
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