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#22 ·
All I can think about is the unfortunate parties involved. I hope this all works out in the best manner where nobody gets hurt financially. Just give the car back to the fraudulent person or persons that created this car and give the money back. The state can now simply issue a new VIN # to the vehicle the way it should have been done in the first place.

I hope Jerry MacNeish covers his bases and fully disclosed any and all findings in his report. I’m certain his report doesn’t say this car is real. And Barrett Jackson should stop using his name in their vehicle description.

I have been saying all along that this practice has been hidden in many people’s garages!

Certainly you all cannot be surprised!!!!!!

If the entire world knew of this practice, then the possibility of passing on a forged vehicle would lessen. The potential buyers must arm themselves with knowledge.

It is most certainly “BUYER BEWARE””

Hey, anybody want to buy a complete numbers matching z/28 crossram convertible?

Fully documented? It has to be real right?
 
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#23 ·
John, I'm not real sure which "unfortunates" you reffer to?

From what I've read in a couple places, the b-j buyer is a gentleman named Ron Pratt, and he purchased a large (15-20 by one report) stack of cars at just this one auction!

This doesn't sound like any kinda unfortunate, but hey, what would I know about rich people, I'm a closet Obama supporter.

Still reading the sYc stuff, but so far other than the name dropping it mostly seems like old news.

Jim, I'd love to see those pics. I just might be able to publish em somewhere where they won't get deleted again, too.

And if anyone has saved off the text from the original crg thread, could ya send it to me?
 
#24 ·
It absolutely amazes me that so many on this particular site, T Camaro are so readily available to dismiss Garys' claim as non-existant. The evidence is right in front of your eyes, cut out vin, TT, paperwork, keys, locks etc?? What is it that won't lend credence to what happened here? Is it the fact that so many of you guys hold paper on a car certified by the "EXPERT" that they don't want him to lose his credibility??? Get real here, anyone that can't see through this BS is kidding themselves.
 
#26 ·
uh, Mike, are ya confused about which board you're posting on?
We wear the white hats, we're the good guys.
Anything that got edited here was edited by the original poster, they can do that for 3 days or so.
We didn't snuff no pictures, didn't edit any threads, didn't even close a thread.
 
#28 ·
I can post em on one of my web servers Jim.

I guess what I find unreal is the way everyone usually yells "Buyer Beware", except in this case. Some poor scmuck gets a clone sold as real and it's somehow his fault.

In this case, as someone who purchases lots of high dollar cars, I would expect more so that Mr. Pratt would know what he is doing.

Point is, kinda like wagonman said, if the experianced buyers can be fooled, what chance does Joe the plumber have :)

Rich
 
#30 ·
Someone who certifies a car does not have the ability to grind paint off the areas where the hidden VINS are to see if a "patch" panel has been welded in with the hidden VIN. Ed C or Jerry M can't verify if a car is a rebody because they can't tell if the hidden VIN's are original to the body. You can't blame BJ or any certification. It's the person welding the VIN patches into another body and selling that car as original that is the one to blame. I hope we find out what the real story is on this car. Was the shell buried or crushed or did somebody grab it at some point in time and reunite the tags and VIN patch? People need to keep an open mind until there are real details revealed.
 
#31 ·
704EVER said:
It absolutely amazes me that so many on this particular site, T Camaro are so readily available to dismiss Garys' claim as non-existant. The evidence is right in front of your eyes, cut out vin, TT, paperwork, keys, locks etc?? What is it that won't lend credence to what happened here? Is it the fact that so many of you guys hold paper on a car certified by the "EXPERT" that they don't want him to lose his credibility??? Get real here, anyone that can't see through this BS is kidding themselves.
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Jim, are you speaking to me? Just curious?
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uh, yea. Unless I missed something, the only "dismissive" comments were tongue in cheek from a few of the regulars, guess maybe their sences of humor aren't obvious to all?
Regardless, carry on, I really don't intend to call anyone out for anything, particularly in this thread.

As for the "poor buyer" in this case, I'd love to hear from him, but I'm sure we won't. It's said he bought an LS6 vert that everyone and his brother has known for years was a fake, too. Mind you I didn't say that, but I read it on the internet so it must be true.
 
#34 ·
Nobody said Jerry MacNeish determined if the car was a re-body or not.He may have simply have noted what was real or not on individual parts, not saying whether or not they were actually born with the car or not..

kind of like an itemized list if you will.


But it would be courteous if he would chime in.

I think it would be in his best interest to make a "public" appearance.

His absence in this case seems interesting........
 
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Jeff H said:
Someone who certifies a car does not have the ability to grind paint off the areas where the hidden VINS are to see if a "patch" panel has been welded in with the hidden VIN. Ed C or Jerry M can't verify if a car is a rebody because they can't tell if the hidden VIN's are original to the body. You can't blame BJ or any certification. It's the person welding the VIN patches into another body and selling that car as original that is the one to blame. I hope we find out what the real story is on this car. Was the shell buried or crushed or did somebody grab it at some point in time and reunite the tags and VIN patch? People need to keep an open mind until there are real details revealed.
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Actually this would be a great opportunity for someone to establish a "pre-certification" process that documents a car's body/drivetrain as "born-with" by establishing baseline conditions before any work is done on it, as well as during and after the restoration.

It's kind of like getting permits for building a house...you get the foundation OK'd then the electrical checked off, then the plumbing, etc., until the final certificate of occupancy is granted. You don't just build the house and get the paperwork afterwards to prove you did it correctly.

For example: you find that proverbial semi-rusty, barn-find, black and gold ZL-1 and that's when you have someone come out and photograph/document every square inch of it including all the confidential VIN locations. Then when it's in the midst of the metal work, he comes back again to check it off, and then after paint you get a certificate of originality (or occupancy if you aren't going to drive the darn thing).

I guess I should patent/copyright my idea now, huh? :)
 
#36 ·
Awful lot of talk on this car.... would love to see the truth... and someone get a little something for their involvement so that maybe, just maybe, the "artist" who perpetrate these "creations" would maybe think about what they're doing and stop.

I know, just a dream :rolleyes:
 
#37 ·
Steve, that's what I do with all restorations here. While I don't exactly have someone "check off" on everything, I take pics of dates/stamps/tags before, after cleaning, and again after paint/plating.
 
#38 ·
Jeff H said:
Someone who certifies a car does not have the ability to grind paint off the areas where the hidden VINS are to see if a "patch" panel has been welded in with the hidden VIN. Ed C or Jerry M can't verify if a car is a rebody because they can't tell if the hidden VIN's are original to the body. You can't blame BJ or any certification. It's the person welding the VIN patches into another body and selling that car as original that is the one to blame. I hope we find out what the real story is on this car. Was the shell buried or crushed or did somebody grab it at some point in time and reunite the tags and VIN patch? People need to keep an open mind until there are real details revealed.
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Point taken and well said Jeff, I can't dipspute what you have said. However, I would expect that an "EXPERT" who had exposure to the car, would have done his job and stated his findings. I've read he flagged the drive train.!! Nice catch!! Beyond that, all we have here is the stamp of approval on a fake car that the truth may never be known on.
 
#39 ·
wagonman said:
Nobody said Jerry MacNeish determined if the car was a re-body or not.He may have simply have noted what was real or not on individual parts, not saying whether or not they were actually born with the car or not..

kind of like an itemized list if you will.


But it would be courteous if he would chime in.

I think it would be in his best interest to make a "public" appearance.

His absence in this case seems interesting........
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It speaks volumes!!
 
#40 ·
wagonman said:
But it would be courteous if he would chime in.

I think it would be in his best interest to make a "public" appearance.

His absence in this case seems interesting........
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He did chime in on CRG.
Didn't have much to say though.
His work is bought and paid for by private individuals remember, it is not public domain.
 
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