here's my story. I have a '69 S.S. 396/350, low miles show-car; which I love. I also have a '68 that is being totally restored (ground up/bolt nut) The cool thing about the '68 is the original sheet metal. it is straight as an arrow. I had the original rear-end taken out and replaced with a 3:73, mosier gears, radical "racing" stuff according to guy doing my motor. My motor is about done: 383 stroker, brodix alum. heads. I mentioned my '69 S.S. because I am thinking about making my '68 a pro-touring car. So, I'll have 2 different kind of cars. I come to this site and really, really dig the modern stuff being done to these 1st gen cars. I love stock/original very much. So, I feel a little "guilty" about adding modern stuff to a 1st gen. But, this car is a perfect canditate for pro touring. the guy doing my motor makes his own line of motors and I'm thinking about using the 383 that's almost complete in a different project later on; and going with one of his all aluminum 427s. My question is this: what are the value of these type of cars versus restored stock/original? I know it depends on what's been added to the pro touring car, but in general?
pro-touring Camaros vs. restored stock
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here's my story. I have a '69 S.S. 396/350, low miles show-car; which I love. I also have a '68 that is being totally restored (ground up/bolt nut) The cool thing about the '68 is the original sheet metal. it is straight as an arrow. I had the original rear-end taken out and replaced with a 3:73, mosier gears, radical "racing" stuff according to guy doing my motor. My motor is about done: 383 stroker, brodix alum. heads. I mentioned my '69 S.S. because I am thinking about making my '68 a pro-touring car. So, I'll have 2 different kind of cars. I come to this site and really, really dig the modern stuff being done to these 1st gen cars. I love stock/original very much. So, I feel a little "guilty" about adding modern stuff to a 1st gen. But, this car is a perfect canditate for pro touring. the guy doing my motor makes his own line of motors and I'm thinking about using the 383 that's almost complete in a different project later on; and going with one of his all aluminum 427s. My question is this: what are the value of these type of cars versus restored stock/original? I know it depends on what's been added to the pro touring car, but in general?
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Plenty of Pro-Touring cars have sold for a lot of money. I wouldn't be so worried about the value, and just make your car into what you want it.
I'm doing a "resto-mod" / pro-touring car, where I want it to look stock to the casual observer but have modern suspension, brakes, transmission and engine under the hood (well a big block).
Opinions will probably vary, but I appreciate both resto-mods and authentic restorations.
I'm doing a "resto-mod" / pro-touring car, where I want it to look stock to the casual observer but have modern suspension, brakes, transmission and engine under the hood (well a big block).
Opinions will probably vary, but I appreciate both resto-mods and authentic restorations.
If you do any car well, and it sounds like you appreciate a quality ride, someone will always notice how well its done. And lets face it, anyone who knows not only the cost of restoring a car but the cost of customizing it, will pay top dollar for it.
At the end of the day, like most people will tell you, do what makes you happy.
At the end of the day, like most people will tell you, do what makes you happy.
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Pro-touring, to me, is more about suspension, handling, modern conveniences (delay wipers, good headlights, decent steroo) and comfort, with a deep bow to not howling on the freeway (i.e., modern overdrive transmission).
To answer your original question, I think it's going to be a lot harder to get high dollars out of a pro-touring car than it would be to get that money out of a restoraton which involved the same investment - that is the restoration is much more collectable (given the right car to start with) than a resto-mod. For my part I do a lot of the work myself, and want a very driveable car for long trips, so I do pro-touring. If you just cruise locally and want to maximize resale, I'd do a straight restoration. I'm also too lazy to try to figure out what firewall stamps I need to replicate to be "authentic."
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Once you go away from totally stock, there is risk. I know of a guy who built a nice 2nd gen Camaro that had a lot of Pro-Touring parts on it, mostly bolt on suspension and a good small block engine. He sold it but didn't get his investment back. He was in the Fresno area and perhaps that type of car isn't appreciated there like it might be in other areas.
I think Muscle Cars are following the path of Street Rods, Detroit Speed and others are like Li'l John Buttera and Boyd Coddington, Chip Foose is taking his Hot Rod building skills into the Resto Mod/Pro-Touring world. You can now buy reproduction bodies just like the street rod guys. There will be preferences stock vs custom.
I think Muscle Cars are following the path of Street Rods, Detroit Speed and others are like Li'l John Buttera and Boyd Coddington, Chip Foose is taking his Hot Rod building skills into the Resto Mod/Pro-Touring world. You can now buy reproduction bodies just like the street rod guys. There will be preferences stock vs custom.
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I like to see the SS, RS/SS, Z/28, big block, high option, low mileage survivor etc cars restored to stock since they are special and should be preserved. I think this keeps their value highest. However, I'm all for pro-touring the plane Jane cars since their value and collectability is limited.
I can't imagine cutting into a Z/28 to minitub it. I'd sell it and get myself something else if that is the direction I wanted to go.
Just my opinion.
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I can't imagine cutting into a Z/28 to minitub it. I'd sell it and get myself something else if that is the direction I wanted to go.
Just my opinion.
Don
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I also agree,do what makes you happy. I built a 1967 yenko clone blk/red int. Out side / inside/under hood look semi-stock. But under it it has a tremac.moser.qa1 sway bars.And a nice hidden radio/ipod. And it gets driven,driven hard. And i could not put a price on it to sell it or replace it.Make any sense? Wes
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I wonder how many times this has been asked. lol
Personally, I love all 1st Gens. Stock restoration, pro-touring, pro-street, what have you (of course I'm biased towards pro-touring). But it really comes down to what you want. Make it what you want, how it best fits your needs, and worry about what segment it might be labled later.
I like the pro-touring side of it for the mileage, reliability, and pure enjoyment of driving. It does everything well, an all around fun car to drive, and one that can be driven across country without hesitation.
You mentioned re-sale, but that's looking only at the end value. I think you need to also look at value of ownership - how much you use it and enjoy it while you own it.
Personally, I love all 1st Gens. Stock restoration, pro-touring, pro-street, what have you (of course I'm biased towards pro-touring). But it really comes down to what you want. Make it what you want, how it best fits your needs, and worry about what segment it might be labled later.
I like the pro-touring side of it for the mileage, reliability, and pure enjoyment of driving. It does everything well, an all around fun car to drive, and one that can be driven across country without hesitation.
You mentioned re-sale, but that's looking only at the end value. I think you need to also look at value of ownership - how much you use it and enjoy it while you own it.
Depends............if your car is nothing special to begin with, will it be worth much restored stock? Probably not. The nice pro touring Camaros did well at Barrett Jackson this year. The originals didn't fair so well this year. Unless it's a matching numbers Z28,SS, Copo do what you want with it.
I need to get some pics posted! I forgot to mention this '68 will have a tremac, 5 speed, heck I think I answered my own question... it already IS a resto/mod in a way. as far as the interior, just need to upgrade my guages somehow to include tach, temp. ... I also need to decide on the color of parachute and where to put the parachute release button.
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I couldn't agree with you more. If you like stock but really want to drive the car and enjoy driving the car let it look stock body and paint wise but upgrade the suspension and drivetrain. Whether or not people want to admit it muscle cars are not too much fun to drive with bias belted tires and stock suspension. Just save what you take off. This way you don't limit your market when it comes to time sell if that's what you're concerned with. Just keep in mind if your in this for the enjoyment there are very few if any type of entertainment that doesn't cost money. So don't count on making a profit or recouping all your investment if and when you decide to sell.
You did say pro-touring right? I'm not sure I remember seeing any parachutes on pro-touring cars...............
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Remember if your car is pro-touring the parachute has to match the paint scheme
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I agree, I have a 69 RSZ that is tempting to modify from its restored state but I'm building a 69 trans am "Clonification" cloned/restomod/pro-tour car it was a plain bird so originality wouldnt mean alot so IMO do up your 68 and enjoy the updates and make it a "better" car and enjoy your 69 ss as it is-what is is-a nice piece of history!
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I 2nd this I have a plain jane 69 and went Pro-Street if it were a Orig.Z there wold be no way.....
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