I have an 86 Iroc with a 350 good wrench 4 bolt main motor. My camaro has a 700R tranny, 3.42 gears, and a 600 edelbrock carb. I wanted to know what I should do to this motor to beat my friend's 2001 Trans Am ram air. All I know about my motor is that the valve cover says that it is the new 350 motor.
Trying to beat a ls1
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I had a bone stock 70 with the 375 396 and i ran it with the dealer 4.11 and the 4 speed and it ran mid to low 14's. Novas are great for smoking tires on saturday night but hard to get down the track without smoking the tires on race day. New Camaros are spendy 29,900 for my new one with all options but i know the dealer.
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Iroc guy, how much money do you have to spend, and exactly what setup (drivetrain) do you have? Why can't you use a roller cam, I would go for 4.11's that way you can use a high stall, cam, and free flowing heads with no problem, 342 to 373 might not be worth the money, probably if thats all you need is a gear change-175-300 bucks depending. LS1 are great, but too ordinary for me, also they are underated, they get about 300 at the rear wheels, they probalby have about 360 horse, and they are all aluminum which makes them very light, with a great drivetrain, you can't just loook at hp numbers.
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The LS1 are getting 319-324 to the rear. I saw a few at a Dyno Day last spring. That's pretty good for Factory. The cars a quick.
I agree with BreathWeapon. Do the whole project in stages. If you can also get a hold of a 850 D/P mech. carb....this would be a major jump for you.
A friend of mine just did this on a 69 chevelle. Big difference. Get a good set of headers and a 2 1/2" exhaust to let the motor breath.
If all else fails, Give GM performance a call and order the ZZ-502 motor.
Like Cody said..He wouldn't know what the hell hit him.
I always hear.. What the hell do you have in the car?
I have the badges on the car but they're not sure what a Z-502 is. They do now.
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Good luck with your project. Have a blast.
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502 Bob
69 Z-502
Giving the Younger guys a bad reputation one pair of tires at a time, Maybe even on Christmas Day if the roads are dry.
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I agree with BreathWeapon. Do the whole project in stages. If you can also get a hold of a 850 D/P mech. carb....this would be a major jump for you.
A friend of mine just did this on a 69 chevelle. Big difference. Get a good set of headers and a 2 1/2" exhaust to let the motor breath.
If all else fails, Give GM performance a call and order the ZZ-502 motor.
Like Cody said..He wouldn't know what the hell hit him.
I always hear.. What the hell do you have in the car?
I have the badges on the car but they're not sure what a Z-502 is. They do now.
Good luck with your project. Have a blast.
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502 Bob
69 Z-502
Giving the Younger guys a bad reputation one pair of tires at a time, Maybe even on Christmas Day if the roads are dry.
www.mobiletools1.com
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I have 5g`s to spend on my car. I`ve been saving it for a down payment for a new SS but, I just dont like the payments so im going to put it all in my car.Im hoping to run at least 12`s I also got my hands on the top gun nos system.But I still want my motor to do all the work,and how do i change my 3.42 to 4.11
My 2 cents: I have a 67 CAMARO and I just bought a 2002 SS 35th ANIVERSARY CAMARO, I also have a 71 big block Chevelle that is a daily driver and goes 12.9. My view is best described as an analogy. My SS is like a razor, the others are BIG CLUBS. Both get the job done in different ways. I love 'em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
best way to beat them cheap...check sig!!!
just joking all in fun seriously though we have a similar post on the corral forum,these vehicles are very fast with just a few mods and good suspension and tires.not hard to make a low 12 sec car.
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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets
best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333
just joking all in fun seriously though we have a similar post on the corral forum,these vehicles are very fast with just a few mods and good suspension and tires.not hard to make a low 12 sec car.
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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets
best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333
So it takes a 5.slow
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to beat a LS1, is that what your saying Roger?
I dont know, I think you'll have a tuff time getting these guys to
sell their Camaros and buy Ford (sorry for saying the F word)
Mustangs so they can beat up on SL1s - that would be sacreledge!
Coming over here, trying to make us join the dark side, you should be
ashamed of you self, you just cant trust these 5.0 guys
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Hey Roger, when you gonna drop a SB chevy in that Mustang
of your and run some 10.90s
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67RS CAMARO - STREET CAR, 502 PUMPGAS, HYD. ROLLER, TH350 w/ATI 10" 12-BOLT w/373 ET= 10.47@129 60FT=1.55 ~ ON MOTOR, ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS
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DAILY DRIVER: 91 B4C CAMARO, 305TPI, TREMEC 5-SPD, 342 GEARS, K&N, CRANK PULLEY, EDELBROCK HEADERS, FLOWMASTER, ET=14.1@98 60FT=2.06
SOON TO BE 383 W/ SUPERRAM
I dont know, I think you'll have a tuff time getting these guys to
sell their Camaros and buy Ford (sorry for saying the F word)
Mustangs so they can beat up on SL1s - that would be sacreledge!
Coming over here, trying to make us join the dark side, you should be
ashamed of you self, you just cant trust these 5.0 guys
Hey Roger, when you gonna drop a SB chevy in that Mustang
of your and run some 10.90s
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67RS CAMARO - STREET CAR, 502 PUMPGAS, HYD. ROLLER, TH350 w/ATI 10" 12-BOLT w/373 ET= 10.47@129 60FT=1.55 ~ ON MOTOR, ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS
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DAILY DRIVER: 91 B4C CAMARO, 305TPI, TREMEC 5-SPD, 342 GEARS, K&N, CRANK PULLEY, EDELBROCK HEADERS, FLOWMASTER, ET=14.1@98 60FT=2.06
SOON TO BE 383 W/ SUPERRAM
small block chevy??!!
rafal as my 1 year old would say...gickie!!!
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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets
best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333
rafal as my 1 year old would say...gickie!!!
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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets
best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333
Man unless you have 428 in the ford (windsor stroked) then I don't want to hear about it. Because that small block chevy would wipe the floor with you. We can always match ets see whose better. Camaros you actually have an accident and live.
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It is better to burn out than fade away
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It is better to burn out than fade away
Its hard to say if you should sell the engine and buy a new one. 5 will definetly get you the power you want! that is good money to work with, if you are going to stick with the iroc, let us know, give you some more reponse. if not good luck, oh yeah Crustangs suck! I had a 5.0 as my first car, fun but not really that fast, pieces of crap, ford really does make some shitty cars, look at all of their recalls: they lied about the cobra, all of the explorers were **** , and now they recall the focus? Some of those 5.0's are fast, but they are still like hondas with V8's might as well buy a rice rocket, all those mustang guys like all the wings and bodykits and stickers anyway. I think the 5.0 are good cheap everyday drivers that you can beat the hell out of, they are good at doing donuts but thats about it, also everyone dumps all this money into them, and when its time to sell them they aren't worth jack!
yes i love doing dohnuts at the track with my 5ft high wing and momo's....(sarcasm)
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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets
best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333
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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets
best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333
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SS camaro is cooler looking, i personally dont like the look of ram air hoods, looks like a nose pulled back (i guess it makes sense!) put a cowl hood on the SS and it'll be badass. the LS1's are nice motors, and you can improve there performance easily.
Since no one seems to responding with good combos take a look at this http://www.ryanscarpage.50megs.com/afr.html
If you want to stay with 350 cid and have it somewhat streetable I'd look at combos 12-14. Should put you in high 12s in quarter provided you have adequate traction. You need ~400 hp or more in order to beat those LS1s.
If you want to stay with 350 cid and have it somewhat streetable I'd look at combos 12-14. Should put you in high 12s in quarter provided you have adequate traction. You need ~400 hp or more in order to beat those LS1s.
ROG30Y
Is that why you were going around in circles in the water box
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- and thats with a big hood, not wing.
Looks to me like your 11sec 5.0 is good for wuppin' up on some 12sec LS1s too - right.
I'd say 11s are pretty good for a cylinder head that only flows 213cfm
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67RS CAMARO - STREET CAR, 502 PUMPGAS, HYD. ROLLER, TH350 w/ATI 10" 12-BOLT w/373 ET= 10.47@129 60FT=1.55 ~ ON MOTOR, ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS
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DAILY DRIVER: 91 B4C CAMARO, 305TPI, TREMEC 5-SPD, 342 GEARS, K&N, CRANK PULLEY, EDELBROCK HEADERS, FLOWMASTER, ET=14.1@98 60FT=2.06
SOON TO BE 383 W/ SUPERRAM
Is that why you were going around in circles in the water box
Looks to me like your 11sec 5.0 is good for wuppin' up on some 12sec LS1s too - right.
I'd say 11s are pretty good for a cylinder head that only flows 213cfm
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67RS CAMARO - STREET CAR, 502 PUMPGAS, HYD. ROLLER, TH350 w/ATI 10" 12-BOLT w/373 ET= 10.47@129 60FT=1.55 ~ ON MOTOR, ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS
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DAILY DRIVER: 91 B4C CAMARO, 305TPI, TREMEC 5-SPD, 342 GEARS, K&N, CRANK PULLEY, EDELBROCK HEADERS, FLOWMASTER, ET=14.1@98 60FT=2.06
SOON TO BE 383 W/ SUPERRAM
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Has anyone else lost to a lightning? Ok I know it is hard enough to beat an ls1, but with my camaro (figures below) what would I need to do to beat my friend's 00 lightning. That thing pisses me off, its fast. I have 327 30 over, fairly mild cam, 2.02 heads, 600 cfm carb, 9: 1 compression, and I am only running a fan and alternator. t350 aluminum driveshaft and really crappy gears (2500 rpm at 70 mph) and I have 2.5" 2 chamber flowmasters that dump down in front of the axle. 265 tires. Whew that was a lot now what do I need to beat him?
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