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and not to repeat myself too mnay times, my 02D is 613111. 02D was a strange "week". I bet the factory was trying for a certain quota in the short month of FEB.

I agree it was a 'wierd' production "week" ... ;)
Other than you car, the highest VIN for an 02D I have is 124679N610476 - so there were quite a few cars scheduled for build, or numbered as such, for that 'week' ...
Cowl;
69 12467 NOR269387
720 50 A
02D Z11

(picture is on home computer ...)
 
Theres really no such thing as weird weeks. There are multiple weeks within some build "weeks" and theres some skipped weeks, but theres nothing really weird about them. Cars are built by the VIN number, that is the only number that ticks up by one as the bodies were received from Fisher by GM (talking Norwood cars here). If someone has a cowl tag with a build week that is way out of order with the VIN number (and assuming its original to the car) then its becuase the car was originally scheduled by Fisher (they made the cowl tags) to be built that week, but for whatever reason it was pulled forward, or backward in the schedule after the tag was stamped, but before the actual construction of the car began. The tags were made and the production orders for components were placed several days before actual construction of the car so there was time to pull a car out of the schedule and replace it with another one (a dealer with more pull) if need be. In that case the tag and the paperwork was just set aside, and then reintroduced into the que when time and parts permitted.
 
Theres really no such thing as weird weeks. ...
With all due respect Mark - if any "week" in my life starts extending beyond 7 days and into the next month, I'm gonna think something is 'wierd' - and most likely discribe it as such ... ;)
Come to think of it, I'm having a long week right now - hopefully it doesn't get any 'wierd-er' from here on :eek:

I understand GM's (and others) reasoning for it ...
 
The D80 on mine tipped Jerry off immediatly. Whole car turned out to be a blatent rebodied fraud. PD and DMV actually retitled the car for me and it looks like the authorities have taken an interest. Anybody got a similar situation with a guy from Florida or Oregon? The bad guys know who they are and don't have any wiggle room in this one. Zman
 
The D80 on mine tipped Jerry off immediatly. Whole car turned out to be a blatent rebodied fraud. PD and DMV actually retitled the car for me and it looks like the authorities have taken an interest. Anybody got a similar situation with a guy from Florida or Oregon? The bad guys know who they are and don't have any wiggle room in this one. Zman
Are you referring to the same car Jerry is asking about, i.e. 9N607652?

If a different car, post some info, and maybe someone on this board can help you out with additional info, unless that is, you already have all you need. Hope the authorities keep after the bad guys.
 
The D80 on mine tipped Jerry off immediatly. Whole car turned out to be a blatent rebodied fraud. PD and DMV actually retitled the car for me and it looks like the authorities have taken an interest. Anybody got a similar situation with a guy from Florida or Oregon? The bad guys know who they are and don't have any wiggle room in this one. Zman
Oh so Your Zman? :D So Jerry whats the deal with the car if its all good except the cowl tag whats the harm? the buyer should pay less for the car end of story. course I dont know how much they want for it, like any old car something is always missing. What else than wrong color could be proved by the cowl tag?
 
Hey gang; I looked at the Z-28 at AshTisdale today. Its a real good looking machine-definitely driver +++, the tag has problems-so what if its a color change!, they probably changed a ***** color for a good one- I personally changed a green/green 69 Z-28 to Daytona Yellow on hounds tooth black using, get this, an Original trim tag from a wrecked car in 1984-you could not tell the difference-I even changed the window lift mechs and the door handle mechs to make it work and look perfect-the car was beautiful-I wish I had kept it-how many of you have changed colors on your cars-you guys ain't innocent on that one!-how many of your wifes/girlfriends are in original condition-he who is without sin can cast the first stone- and I am guilty as he*l. By wiping out the repro trim tag business you only allow the few well healed collectors/demegogs to stay out in front and cut off the new blood from bringing their cars up to perfection-you are wiping out competition-not the AMERICAN way.
 
You can paint a car any color you want, put a pink interior in it if you want, you'll take a hit on the value at resale time, but fool with a tag and get caught you'll be sitting on that car for along time, and still take a big hit on the value.

There is only ONE reason for swapping a tag and that is FRAUD.

Do it in Oklahoma and you'll be looking at triple damages and legal fees. One could almost start a rather lucrative business if they lived in OK just buying high dollar cars off Ebay with fake tags and jamming the seller for the damages.
 
... Do it in Oklahoma and you'll be looking at triple damages and legal fees. One could almost start a rather lucrative business if they lived in OK just buying high dollar cars off Ebay with fake tags and jamming the seller for the damages.
And don't think that hasn't been discussed among a few ;)
The first purchase we looked at would almost cover the second 'high-$$$' one we were looking at - it could still happen :thumbup:
Would you like a prospectus ... :D

Agree fully with Mark on changing color :thumbsup:
I've changed the color of a dozen or better vehicles, including two I still presently own - and NEVER considered tampering with the visible factory tags or markings to "Fool and Impress my Friends" (or whatever the wording was in that one Cowl tag sales ad ...)
There is absolutely no need or logical reasoning for it - and tons of reasons NOT to do it.
Who gives a poop what the cowl says if you repaint a vehicle :confused:
The ONLY reason to try and tamper with the tags to change a code (color or option) is to defraud someone - PERIOD.
If you changed a color and not the tag it can always be documented and even repainted the original color if someone were to buy the car and restore it in the future.
These vehicles we see at shows and auctions with swapped tags are done ONLY to increase the desired sales price and defraud a buyer - there is no other reason ...
 
Hey gang; I looked at the Z-28 at AshTisdale today. Its a real good looking machine-definitely driver +++, the tag has problems-so what if its a color change!, they probably changed a ** color for a good one- I personally changed a green/green 69 Z-28 to Daytona Yellow on hounds tooth black using, get this, an Original trim tag from a wrecked car in 1984-you could not tell the difference-I even changed the window lift mechs and the door handle mechs to make it work and look perfect-the car was beautiful-I wish I had kept it-how many of you have changed colors on your cars-you guys ain't innocent on that one!-how many of your wifes/girlfriends are in original condition-he who is without sin can cast the first stone- and I am guilty as he*l. By wiping out the repro trim tag business you only allow the few well healed collectors/demegogs to stay out in front and cut off the new blood from bringing their cars up to perfection-you are wiping out competition-not the AMERICAN way.
Idiot
 
I personally changed a green/green 69 Z-28 to Daytona Yellow on hounds tooth black using, get this, an Original trim tag from a wrecked car in 1984-.
This is an issue because you are misrepresenting the car, even if you told the new owner you swapped the tag, over time that information would get lost and a new buyer would be duped. Not right when you play with Trim Tags, people work hard to lay down those hard earned dollars, they should always get what they pay for...
 
Update: My client is trying to track past owners. The selling dealership owner of the car states that the cowl tag is real and I'm misguided with my report and data. This is what I deal with all the time. The big money owners are always right and the specialists are always wrong.

I was hoping that we could come up with a past owner on one of these web sites. No luck so far. My client did track down the guy who restored the car but he will not return phone calls. Stay tuned.

Jerry
any chance it was the same person that "restored" the re-bodied green 69 RS Z that sold at B-J some time ago ?
 
Gee, less than two years ago you were concerned about a trim tag not being correct whey you were doing the buying.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1104894#post1104894

Hey gang; I looked at the Z-28 at AshTisdale today. Its a real good looking machine-definitely driver +++, the tag has problems-so what if its a color change!, they probably changed a ** color for a good one- I personally changed a green/green 69 Z-28 to Daytona Yellow on hounds tooth black using, get this, an Original trim tag from a wrecked car in 1984-you could not tell the difference-I even changed the window lift mechs and the door handle mechs to make it work and look perfect-the car was beautiful-I wish I had kept it-how many of you have changed colors on your cars-you guys ain't innocent on that one!-how many of your wifes/girlfriends are in original condition-he who is without sin can cast the first stone- and I am guilty as he*l. By wiping out the repro trim tag business you only allow the few well healed collectors/demegogs to stay out in front and cut off the new blood from bringing their cars up to perfection-you are wiping out competition-not the AMERICAN way.
 
Good catch Chick.

OK, crawl back into obscurity now Rick. The two sides of your mouth are saying different things.
 
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