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I know this has been asked a number of times in the past and I did peruse the threads on this subject using the search function; all offered good insight into this popular problem.

My car is leaning 3/8's of an inch on the passenger side front and back. I have Hotchkis 2" drop springs in front and DS&E 3" drop springs in the rear. When installing all the springs I laid them side by side to verify there was no difference in height and the suspenion was assembled "loose" before dropping the full weight of the car on it. With those two criteria satisfied it can only leave the "seat pocket issue" with one of the front springs or the body has been slighly tweaked.

The car has never been in an accident (a fact I am certain of since this car has been in my family since day one). The only thing that stands out to me was back in 1993 I put a 100 shot of nitrous oxide on my then 331 small block with 4:56 gears and TH400 trans with 10 inch stall. Not sure what kind of horsepower or torque it had but my fastest time I ran a 12:70 in the quarter mile with drag slicks. The car did not lift the wheels but had a pretty good launch.

......I did not have sub-frame connectors on the car (...I know, I was young, forgive me).

Would that have been enough to twist the body? If so and I have to have this fixed....can anyone from Michigan recommend a good frame-alignment shop where I can have the alignment of the frame-to-body checked and fixed if there is an issue?

Thank you.
 
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Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Schnide....subframe mounts and bushings are brand new. They are Delrin bushings in the control arms and Polygraphite bushings for the subframe mounts.

Luwi....the windshield never cracked as a result of the "one time" I had slicks on it. The car has gone through a full frame-off restoration and all body panels and door cuts line up beautifully.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

When u pulled out springs and put back, did u make sure they went back in the same sides...
yes they may be same size measurement, but doesnt mean the still have the same tension.
And when was the last time the where retensioned in a forge?
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

I have/had the same problem with my camaro.

I've had my camaro since 1988 and bought it off the original woman owner, it had never been crashed or raced. I will say that my best buddy in high school was a lineman on our football team and prob weighed 225 lbs...I used to joke with him that he made my car lean. : )

Anyway, a few years ago I went to change the body mounts and one of em was completely smashed and rusted away, all the others were fine but the passenger side bushing was completely smashed, it was like 1/4" thick. After replacing them the lean was much improved but its still barely there. I've also replaced the passenger side lower a-arm, and the rear leafs since then but the lean is still there a bit.

Front springs have also been replaced or re-installed twice on my car too.

So my car still leans a bit but it's barely noticeable. I think Im the only one that can tell now but when I had it in high school it was easy to tell.
 
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Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Steptoe.....the springs are brand new Hotchkis 2" drop springs.

The original springs were scrapped 10 years ago when I began my restoration.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Is the car all finished and drivable? Has the front end been aligned? A camber adjustment could very well even things out.

My experience has been that unequal measurements in both the front and rear are usually the a result of an uneven front. In other words, evening things up front should even things in the rear.

3/8" isn't too bad - probably within "spec" when the car was new. If you want to even it up, I would add a thin spacer or even a rubber spring isolator under the low front coil. Rule of thumb is that you get twice the height of the spacer, i.e 1/2" spacer will raise that side 1".
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Steptoe.....the springs are brand new Hotchkis 2" drop springs.
Still try swaping side to side.. then if that doesnt do it, or makes worse, go to the spacers above in the front.
 
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Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

OK, that is some info I was not considering....the front end alignment.

This car has not been driven yet the the front suspension is just slapped together. It still needs to be totally dialed in. Probably best that I wait until all that has occurred and hopefully the problem is alleviated.

One thing to note however...I could never put a spacer in my front end to raise my ride height; that would go against my Pro-Touring religion.

LOL. Thanks guys.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

This car has not been driven yet the the front suspension is just slapped together. It still needs to be totally dialed in. Probably best that I wait until all that has occurred and hopefully the problem is alleviated.
Yep.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

I would check the obvious first such as the movement of the rear shackel (?) mounting. I have seen them over tightened which did not allow the rear springs to come to a full rest. Check to see if they are moving at all when weight is placed on the rear of the car.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Just curious, when you look at the site hole on the top of the passenger frame rail, is the end of the spring directly under the hole? According to my research on this site, the end of the spring should be about 3/8" away from the site hole. If the passenger spring is directly under the site hole and the drivers spring is not.....that could be your problem.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Do you have a spare tire in the trunk? My Chevelle leaned - pass side higher than driver side. I finally put the full spare tire back in and the car is now balanced.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Just curious, when you look at the site hole on the top of the passenger frame rail, is the end of the spring directly under the hole? According to my research on this site, the end of the spring should be about 3/8" away from the site hole. If the passenger spring is directly under the site hole and the drivers spring is not.....that could be your problem.

i wondering same thing. I am one of those with the lean. I still need to adjust my front springs.... and buy new rear ones.
 
Re: A few questions regarding the famous "leaning" problem....

Found repro of factory 3/8" spacer on THE PARTSPLACEINC.COM & CLASSIC INDUSTRIES.
"(1967 - 1981 Camaro) 3/8" COIL SPRING SPACER GM # 3789664 - GOES BETWEEN THE FRONT LOWER CONTROL ARM AND SPRING. IT IS PERFECT TO LIFT THE FRONT END A LITTLE AND KEEP A FACTORY APPEARANCE. MOST CARS USE TWO, BUT SOME ONLY USE THIS SPACER ON ONE SIDE. GM USED THIS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE TO ADJUST THE HEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE. THIS 3/8" SPACER IN MOST CASES WILL LIFT THE CAR UP FROM 3/4" TO 1 1/2""
Seems the driver upper spring cup is 3/8" lower that the passenger side. Go get em'!
 
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