Is there any Team Camaro guy that can take a stab at this question. Not sure but I remember reading they made approximately 900 plus 1969 COPO 427's?? Someone must be keeping a approximate tabs on how many of the total have been found to this date.You can break it down too between Camaros and Chevelles,ZL1's and Cast iron units. What Dealership has the most that have been found.Just some of the questions.
How many 69 COPO 427's have been found out of the Total amount made.
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The earliest known 375 hp Camaro was in March.That was a race car.Real production started in April.They were coded 4P until the third week of April when the 4K designation was begun.This was in both plants.
Not meaning to start any argument but my notes are around 1000 engines total COPO production.Cannot quote exact #s right now until I go to my shop.
Not meaning to start any argument but my notes are around 1000 engines total COPO production.Cannot quote exact #s right now until I go to my shop.
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Whats the ealiest known L34 396 1967 Camaro?
L34 (396/350hp) was NOT available in the Camaro during the 1967 model year.
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Thanks Bil for clarifying that.Hey Scott Sabatine stop over today Len's son who had the Silver Hauser Chevrolet your Doctor friend owned.Never met him before stop over for parts.Hes just like his Dad total musclecar guy.
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Bill,Interesting fact I learned from Scott Sabatine from his father Len who was the guy that dragraced the Hauser Chevrolet Silver ZL1 1969 Camaro. Scott said because the ZL1 motor was all Aluminum his father said it ran best when he had the motor heated up real good.Makes sense aluminum disappates the heat better.
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Bill,My own personal experience is the motor I built for my original California Black (VND 268) 1 of 617 07B Built 396/375 L78 Nova SS 4 Speed with its Special June 1968 BV 410 Gears. I did it my way and built a 12 1/2 to 1 GM aluminum heads mechanical 630 lift cam 427.Its a balance motor and runs like a bastard!! Interesting in the middle of summer on a hot humid day in traffic it never runs real hot and over heats.I can remember back in the 70's running 427/425HP Cast Iron Head motor that love to boil water on real hot days. Original 3rd member Crew chief on the Hauser Chevrolet Silver Camaro 427 ZL1 car was the builder of this Awesome 427 in my Nova at his shop in Allentown. Scott Sabatine told me his Dad said that the Hauser Chevrolet ZL1 was on loan to him and never invested a dime of his money buying it.Hauser supported him with any parts he needed for nothing at the Dealership Parts window.
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Heres a good analogy-Coal Heat Stoves are All Cast Iron-I just sold a French Built Franco Belge one thats how I know. Aluminum Is Kooler then Cast Iron..
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This one was just found in a garage with docs.
http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=4664.0
http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=4664.0
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Tim,Cooool car love the LB color! Hey was it a M22 4 speed? What gears in it?? What Dealership? Love those Big 427 Cars,don't see many of those!
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Don't know Dan just got pictures of it.
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In the beginning of this thread there was info from Team Camaro members of what they thought about whats the total number of COPO 427 Cars built in 1969.This is based on how many Stamped MN MO MP MQ 427/425 Cast Iron L72 COPO 1969 Camaro and Chevelle blocks came thru Totawanda.It was said to be 700 plus.Codes for the ZL1 427 1969 COPO Camaro were ML MM.Now is there anyone that wants to take a shot at after all these years with Team Camaro,CRG,Yenko.net members finding these Rare COPO Supercars what is a good approximate total found to date. I remember Ed Cunneen ago years ago had a website called Copo Connection that listed lots of found Copo finds on his website.He would even mention the lesser known Smaller Dealerships that sold them.The Canadian COPOS found seem to be the easiest number to calculate because of their record keeping.
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Seems like that would be awfully corrosive to the cast aluminum. All I know is that salt water is hell on aluminum manifolds on boats!
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Since no records exist the numbers quoted are estimates based on oral history-even Berger no longer has records. To sell 700-800 cars meant several dealers must have stocked them. The current L72 COPO knowledge base was developed from less than half the build total so there could be a lot we don't know. I recently learned Courtesy Chev in Sebring OH had a number of them, some with a special COPO hood stripe.
ZL-1s were also COPOs. Fred Gibb Chev had 50, mostly sold by other dealers.
http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml
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Tom,Funny you should bring up aluminum and Salt water.I know this from experience.The smaller Berkley Jet drive 17 Foot Sutphens/Donzi Speed Boat they pull the outside water source to propelle the boat and cool it.So if your running your boat in the Lake or river no salt water.Yes if you run in the Bay or Ocean you have a very high concentration of Salt in the water.Correct me if I'm wrong but their were very few Flat Bottom 17/18/19 foot Jet Drive Speed boats in the Chopping bay or open seas,these boats needed calm conditions to go fast otherwise the waves would flip them.I tried my 17 Foot Sutphen Flat Bottom Speed Boat once down at the Jersey shore in the Bay,Boat hated the big wakes,couldn't enjoy it.This boat had a 427 4 bolt with aluminum GM heads Wiend 671 GMC Blower,Nasty Radical solid cam,2 Holley 750 CFM double pumpers,Vertex Magneto,Hooker Chrome Headers etc...Motor Built By Tony Fiel in Raritan NJ.Yes As soon as I pulled it out of the bay I hook up a hose to the back and flushed out the motor real good.Boat was Black Lacquer and said "Jaws" on the back.Not sure if the Bigger Ocean V-Hull Speed Boats use the outside water source to cool their engines,maybe someone can answer that Question.As far as Smokey goes how much concentrate did he actually use,did he flush the motor after racing?
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