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I agree with most of the above. When I first saw it I thought it was a Monte Carlo replacement. Way too big, and fat. Please lower the belt line, slim down it's butt and replace those silly tail lights. They look like they are mounted upsidedown. Try twins like the square 67-68, or round like the second gen Camaro. Maybe go with all solid wheels that look like rally wheels. Oh, and please re-design that ugly dash and loose the Jetson's looking radio.
 
I've been looking closer at them with this in mind the last few days - getting much more popular and now I'm seeing about 1 new Camaro for every 5 Mustangs. On avg., I see 1 new Camaro for every 10 miles of driving. A few more ideas:

How 'bout some more good color options (there is a yellow and a metallic green hue that are absolutely regurgitative).
Elec. Exhaust cut-outs.
I also like the idea of either going with a '67or 68 style rear tail lights or even early 70s style (sorry but '69 tail-lights aren't doing a lot for that model year - fortunately the rest of the car more than makes up for it.)
I hear what many say about the high waste line being an obstacle to achieving ideal visibility but I'm of the opinion that placing it where they did is a substantial reason the car look so good overall. If lowered, would not look as good - but agree would be safer.
How 'bout an 8-track player and redline bias-ply tire option? (just kiddin).
But seriously, how come they don't put the shark-gill inserts into the open slots? That's the coolest part of a '69 and they skimped on it (i'm sure you could buy aftermarket by now though). They could do some polished alum. ones or various anodized colors to go with varous body colors to maintain a modernedge.
 
I think that high belt line and the thick "a" pillars contribute to the overall chubbyness. Also that fat rear end styling. I was behind one sitting at a light the other day (yeah you do see them more often) and I just couldn't stand looking at those wimpy backup lights. They are so out of scale with that humongious rear end. I agree that more chrome or polished aluminum, ala Rally Sport upper and lower side trim, would help reduce the over stated too fat factor. Maybe add black out on the lower sills on the high performance cars would also help.
 
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Yes, Rally Sport headlights would be cool.

Keep the pushrods? Seriously? Do we want to keep cast iron blocks, leaf springs and solid rear axles too? Come one, a DOHC LS1 would be awesome. GM should NEVER use outdated technology, that's how you lose market share. I do agree that a t-top throwback would be pretty cool, I was too young to enjoy the t-top heyday.

Seems like most everyone agrees it should be lighter and a bit smaller too.
 
I doubt it will get lighter, all the safety requirements and noise reduction items pack on the poundage.

I like the new Camaros, but i would like to see more chrome and real emblems like on the first generation...and please do something with that ugly grill and tail lights. A RS type grill would probably force me to buy one :)
 
Yes, Rally Sport headlights would be cool.

Keep the pushrods? Seriously? Do we want to keep cast iron blocks, leaf springs and solid rear axles too? Come one, a DOHC LS1 would be awesome. GM should NEVER use outdated technology, that's how you lose market share. I do agree that a t-top throwback would be pretty cool, I was too young to enjoy the t-top heyday.

Seems like most everyone agrees it should be lighter and a bit smaller too.
GM powertrain is doing a pretty damn good job of keeping up with everyone else with their "outdated" pushrod V8 engines.

and technically, since the LS1 hasn't been in production since 2004 or so, a DOHC version of it would be "outdated" from the start..
 
I am sure that GM has been thinking about how the new Camaro should look since they re introduced the car, perhaps even before that. Regardless, the number one thing that will sell the car is looks. I think that since Chevrolet has 40% of the market share, making a major styling change is a gamble I don't think many manfactures would be willing to take.

Chrysler didn't have to take any chances when they re introduced the Challenger. In my opinion, they just jumped on the band wagon. Once retro was a safe bet they jumped in, and for the most part nailed it, looks wise anyway.

One thing can be learned however by ford in this situation, is to go with what people want. Ford were the first to come out with the retro design and proved that people wanted it. It is unfortunate that Chevrolet waited so long, but now that it has the market share it needs to maintain it, and if possible surpass it. With that said it is a safe bet that a redesign should incorporate everything about the 5th gen that people want with perhaps a few more retro styling cues.

Obviously they are limited by regulations and mass production that will not allow for an actual first gen body style, but in my opinion the new Challenger as great as it looks, looks nothing like an old Challenger when parked side by side.

I hate to say in now, but, in retrospect, I think Chevrolet did the right thing with the 5th Gen design, even though at the time, I was disapointed it was not more retro. One can only speculate, on what would have happened if they came out with a more retro design. I, like most, would like to think it would have been a far greater success. Shoulda, woulda, coulda!!!!

Bearing in mind the new design challeges, I think these improvements should be made, IMHO.

1. Narrow the A pillars
2. Lower/smaller rear end/trunk area so a proper spoiler could be added with blocking the rear view completly
3. Drop overall height and make it wider so it does not look like a Challenger or Mustang
4. Make the dash more retro. Pick a year, 68 or 69. In between is not working at all
5. Retro 69 tail lights. Tail lights are are a signature look for the Mustang/Challeneger
6. Retro 69 Grill with RS Option. Grill a signature look for the Mustang/Challenger
7. Z28 Model, manual trans only, high winding motor, Skunk Stripes, proper badging, primary original 69 colors only
8. More pronounced rounded fenders, for a wider look. Currently to boxy and squared off
9. Longer rear quarters or smaller doors to enhance the shark gills
10. Redesigned interior with a more retro look, leather & houndstooth 69 deluxe theme & primary colors
 
Back in about 2004, GM management was making critical decisions on the design and build of the new 5th gen Camaro and don't think they made the best choices.
These are the same GM managers who almost ran the company into the ground and needed a Government bailout to stay afloat.

The 5th gen rides on an Australian-engineered platform (GM Zeta), was designed by a Korean designer (Sangyup Lee) , and is built in Canada

I know today everything is more global, but I wonder what the 5th gen would be like with a more "All American" origin. Maybe a designer, who grew up with the 1st gen Camaro, would have went more retro.

I think it would have come out more like the new Mustangs and Challengers and that would be a good thing.

I read where Sangyup Lee left GM , now working for VW

here is a interview with Sangyup
http://www.camaro5.com/designer-behind-the-new-camaro-sangyup-lee-profile-interview
 
I’m not a fan of the 5th gen, but nor am I a fan of the 74+ 2nd, 3rd, or 4th so I’m a bit picky. While I can find examples of cars I like in those gens, overall not a fan. In the end it won’t matter what they do, I won’t own one, (at least I don’t think so). I just hope they don’t ruin the name as they did with Nova (Toyota) and Cougar.
I am curious to see though. Now that the big 3 have gone backwards, how do they go forward again?
 
My town is flooded with 5th gens and the more I see them the more I like them. I think it looks way better than the Mustang or Challenger. I never thought I would say that. Park all 3 beside each other or even better beside their vintage inspiration and the choice will be clear!

Looking forward to the new design.
 
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